I am entertaining the notion of a “Job Gain Recession“.
A chart of year-over-year nonfarm employment shows that’s nearly what happened in the 1970 and 1980 recessions.
Nonfarm Payroll Job Losses
Jobs a are a horribly lagging indicator. Recessions invariably start with the economy adding jobs as noted by the red squares in the above chart.
Job losses in recessions vary widely. At the deepest point of the 1980 recession, the maximum year-over-year loss in nonfarm jobs was only 378,000. In contrast, the economy shed 6.8 million jobs in the 2007-2009 “great recession”.
The peak of the job losses in most recessions is after the recession is over.
What Would a Job Gain Recession look like?
- Reduced hours, especially for part-time employees.
- Workers might lose just one of two part-time jobs making them ineligible for unemployment insurance.
- Corporate earnings take a huge hit as companies cannot shed enough employees.
- Stocks get trashed in the earnings hit.
- Yields on government bonds sink to new lows.
- Yields on corporate bonds rise with increasing default risk.
- Consumer price deflation would again come into play as consumers further cut into spending.
- Rate hikes would be the last thing on the Fed’s mind. Cuts would be likely.
- The Fed would strongly consider negative rates even though negative rates would make the situation worse.
- In terms of job losses, this would look like a “mild recession”, but it would wreak havoc on the financial system, especially leveraged players.
Serious Risk of Major Currency War
The Fed not hiking as much as expected would pressure the US dollar, at least in isolation. But the ECB, Bank of Japan, and Bank of China do not want to see their currencies rise.
The other central banks would likely counter with beggar-thy-neighbor devaluation tactics to weaken their currencies. And the risk of an all-out currency war of some kind would certainly come into play.
Gold is likely to do very well in such an environment.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
New site is working well, Mish!
Thanks for carrying us over to it.
Ron – Queensland
“I am entertaining the notion of a “Job Gain Recession“.”
The job losses will come.
I would agree with your premise if I thought the coming recession short and shallow.
But, imo, the grey bar (on future chart) will be wide … and dark gray.
The employment situation is so deliberately complex and convoluted, not to mention “adjusted”, it’s probably impossible to know much by looking at the numbers….much like every other supplied metric. The one metric that for me stands above the rest is falling incomes. Its easy to get bellicose about it, but it seems baked into the cake at this point. Lowered expectations for personal performance and responsibility, an aging population and continued desire for government to “fix” everything pretty much ensures it will not change direction. The trend is that we will demand entitlements to replace our lost productivity, forcing government to take from remaining producers to provide the needed funds. Of course this can’t last as we see our debt growing daily, but the expectation will remain…and grow. Meanwhile we will use the redistributed funds to buy more technology and more imports of which both will continue to undermine our employment base.
The more disturbing statistic is the 4.5% gain in unit labor costs for this quarter. In this economic environment this can’t continue. While as individuals we might like a raise, the global picture is one of deflationary trends and increasing competition for export monies. As this plays out, it seems to me this would be a reason for the Fed to continue slight rate hikes in 2016. US productivity is the entire reason we lead the pack…easier credit has not made companies make the hard decisions to be as productive as they can be.
NIRP on tap for US.
$US too strong. No Way No How will raise rates further in 2016.
do we really need most of these retail jobs. We have self service gas stations & ATMS why not more self checkouts at retail stores.
Many retail employees do have both the IQ & EQ of a used napkin.
There’s plenty of jobs if you want to work 20 hours per week as a sandwich artist/burger flipper/etc :).
‘ What would a job gain recession look like? ‘
Chairman Mao light? Debt induction? Equal hours? Political employment? Trigger polishing?
In the ISM post I posted a link to Thomson Reuters same store sales index for January. TR expected a poor month. Today is when many of the few the proud that still report monthly sales (it’s voluntary). The stores listed in report that have reported. Numbers are year over year.
The envelope please …
L Brands … expected +2.2% … actual -2.0%
Zumiez … expected -9.7% … actual -4.6%
Cato … expected -2.0% … actual -7.0%
Stein Mart … expected +2.0% … actual -2.2%
Rite Aid … expected +1.1% … actual -1.4%
The Buckle … expected -3.7% … actual -11.3%
What is that? Spit it out Mr Economy. What are you trying to say?
I know I know!!!
Voluntary trade expectation’s beat actualized.
( Hint, apostrophe)
‘ I’m hungry, let’s eat, Grandad’
‘ I’m hungry, let’s eat Grandad’
Another one bites the dust.
Census Bureau next week will report retail sales for January. But whom exactly are they surveying … and how much black box magic? Since the last recession most of the big boys chose to no longer to voluntarily report monthly sales (Walmart, Kohls, Target, etc) so how accurate is Census report (compared to going into last recession when MANY more chains reported)? Eventually (after revisions down the road), Census (more or less) gets it right after big boxes come out with quarterlies.
Oh yeah, surprise surprise, Stein Mart with this report said it will no longer report monthly sales.
We go through 10-15 temps a year for just one shipping clerk position. There’s a ton of bottom of the barrel labor slack out there nobody is noticing.
Unfortunately, the present economic mayhem, will lead us to WAR.
“Gold would rate to do very well in such an environment.”
I disagree. Those who can buy gold have many options other than gold and many already have their gold.
The people that get hurt the most have no funds to buy gold. The people with the most fear have no funds to buy gold.
“What Would a Job Gain Recession look like?”
The 10 points Mish describes are here now.
Why would gold do well in such an environment? As soon as the euro and gold finish their bounce by May, both will make new lows.
A thought that occurs to me is why the “Non Farm” payrolls number?
The traditional answer was that the farm payrolls were so massively seasonal that they dwarfed changes in everything else.
What’s being disguised here is the degree that the whole Agri thing is being mechanized with the concomitant loss of jobs that’s just being ignored.
Amazed to see not one reply jumped at the GOLD suggestion YET!!
These days I only see the same old Bugs pumping Gold
This morning I am going to see who is still standing in the gold camp
Pingback: Divergence of Opinion: Do Weekly Claims Signal No Recession? | Grater Post