Beggars Can Be Choosy
Proving once and for all this refugee crisis is for economic reasons first and foremost, not political asylum, Greek refugees assigned to poor countries like Bulgaria and Romania refused to go or went into hiding.
Please consider Refugees in Greece Refuse to Relocate Across EU.
One in seven asylum seekers in the EU’s flagship scheme to relocate refugees throughout the bloc has either refused to be moved or “absconded”, according to figures provided by the Greek government.
Of the 1,324 people processed as part of the relocation scheme so far, 191 have dropped out or simply disappeared, say Greek officials.
As of last week, Bulgaria had agreed to accept 47 asylum seekers from Greece. But when they were told they were being sent there, 36 withdrew from the programme while another seven “absconded”, according to the Greek government. In the end, only four were moved.
The situation was similar in Romania, where 32 of the 67 asylum seekers destined to be sent there disappeared or quit the relocation programme. In the case of Estonia, eight out of 27 people absconded rather than be sent to the Baltic state.
Anastasia Mavrou, a social worker and volunteer at a tent camp near Athens, said it was common for officials to lose track of asylum seekers. “There’s a lot of mobility among the refugees,” she said. “They switch addresses and mobile phone numbers quite often so can’t be reached by the asylum agency.”
Greek and European officials face a backlog of 46,000 asylum seekers and migrants who are stuck on the country’s mainland. Macedonia shut its border with Greece earlier this spring, leaving tens of thousands stranded in worsening conditions within the country.
Although Greek officials had put forward 3,126 for relocation, other EU countries that signed off the deal had agreed to accept just 1,791 as of last week.
Despite the Greek government agreeing, in conjunction with the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, to set up accommodation for 50,000 refugees by the end of 2015, Greece is still suffering from a shortfall in accommodation. At the moment, the country has shelter for barely 35,000 migrants on its mainland.
The refugees want to go to Germany and Sweden where the benefits are the highest. Even France had dropouts. Of 388 asylum seekers due to be sent to France, 24 absconded while two others dropped out.
Greek Refugee Relocation Scorecard
- Overall Target: 3,126 relocations
- Accepted: 1,791
- Backlog: 46,000
- Romania Dropouts: 32 of 76
- Bulgaria Dropouts: 43 of 47
- Greek Accommodation Needs: 50,000
- Greek Accommodations: 35,000
- Grade F
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Welcome to the European meat market.
Hardly a meat market when every country is looking to shed or shelter from the onslaught. As Mish says, their refusal to go to the “lesser” Euro sanctuary countries pretty much makes their agenda obvious.
Looking the gift horse in the mouth, as it were.
If it isn’t a meat market why are we reading about migrants being sliced and diced ?
Obviously some would rather go their own way , and many countries have decided to skip ‘if you don’t mind’ , but a meat market all the same, a ‘But we have to’ and a ‘How could we not ‘ arrangement from somewhere up north, where reputation overrides common sense , and each vote is a pragmatically emotional affair .
When I think of a meat market, I think of people vying for something they want or value, not something they are trying to rid themselves of. More like drawing straws for some undesirable task.
The whole thing is sad.
It is sad that people feel they must abandon their homes to have a chance of survival or advancement.
It is sad that Euro leaders care more for a people who despise them that for their own people.
And it is especially sad that people are denigrated and punished for simply wanting what has always been theirs.
Interestingly it brings us straight to the topic of Europe and national identity , underlines the antagonisms and points to the wanted solution .
Who decides in EU ?
Why EU does, according to the mandate handed to it by national legislature.
But EU entitles entry, hence entrant is a subject of EU?
No, as a subject of EU would enjoy the freedom of choice of residency , and this is contrary to the wish of certain nations in EU with regards to migrants , the migrant becomes a subject of a ‘volunteer’ country that subjects itself to EU.
But as a country subjects itself to EU then the migrant must also be a subject of EU?
Yes, but no , the problem is you see … well the migrant becomes a subject of EU subject to the conditions of EU placement in a member country from where he may move at will throughout Europe but not reside outside of the original country for any official record , or at least not be found doing so . Clearly EU has the placement mandate which is a de facto recognition of the need and desire for a central management on issues of residency , which have so far only been covered by a simple reciprocal agreement between member states that guarantees a right to residency and freedom of movement to members of fellow member states . Nor this , nor the borders , nor the population , have so far been centrally managed as there was no cause for this to occur . However , as events have shown , it is now imperative that a wider transfer of power occurs for the efficient surveillance of the integration of the population , a unique new European population if there ever were one I might add , given the increasing diversity of origin and the relentless internal displacement that makes duplicity impossible to track, resources harder to allocate, and costs more difficult to harmonize, from a national … level .
Etc.
Yes , it is very sad .
I just happen to be completely cynical about the motives that are orchestrating behind the scenes . I do not believe this is all an ‘act of God’ as it were , at least not as long as decisions by people are considered their own.
Leaders of EU-commission are clueless and incompetent and most countries in western europe (aka welfare paying europe) have clueless and incompetent leaders who only care about how the fellow elite and the media view them and therefore spout politician talk with no intention of solving the problems.
Problem solving is left to career bureaucrats (who are equally incompetent) so the politicians and governments can say that it wasn’t them when things go wrong.
The newest twist is that all authority in asylum seeking and immigration is planned to be given to EU By western European countries so both the politicians and bureaucrats can run behind the back of EU when things go wrong and say “it wasn’t us, it was EU and EU-bureaucrats”
This is the level of political responsility and problem solving in europe.
Shorting everything connected to EU countries economies would be one investment idea just now because the situation will deteriorate quickly because complete avoidance of responsibility and complete ineffectiveness in making decisions to fix things shows that EU is paralyzed in asylum /immigration but also means EU is paralyzed in economy also and will crash hard.
UK would be very WISE to Brexit the mess that is power centralizing and EU-comission led EU-boondoogle.
The refugees will just keep changing their identities until Germany or Sweden or one of the other rich EU nations agrees to give them free food, housing, education, medical care, etc….
Who wants to live like a Bulgarian?
Just because you happen to be a refugee it doesn’t mean you’re stupid.
‘Just because you happen to be a refugee it doesn’t mean you’re stupid.’
Correct. You can still exercise a level of fussiness if you think you can get away with it. The only real indication that they are economic refugees would be if they were willing to return home to the same circumstances they left if they could not get to Germany or other top tier country. If you fear dying if you return to your country of origin you are likely to settle for Romania, but that does not preclude trying every which way to get to Germany instead.
Or just stay in Greece .
Even once in Germany many simply ‘disappear’ :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3410787/German-government-admits-account-600-000-1-1million-asylum-seekers-using-multiple-identities-travel-Europe.html
Germany still has hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who have not submitted their asylum application in full by having the asylum interview (because of long processing times and huge cues) and Germany has itself started denying Dublin-returns of asylum seekers whose initial registration was in Germany but later went to Sweden etc. so when countries have tried to return asylum seekers who first registered in Germany to Germany, Germany has REFUSED.
So there is a huge potential for internal movement inside EU if Denmark and Sweden stop their border controls because Sweden is still being really generous with welfare when Germany has started making small cuts after Merkel and several of her ministers have been publicly booed By hundreds of enraged german citizens.
Merkel should be removed from power ASAP if Germany wants to stop the social mood deteriorating further
If Denmark/Sweden stop border check Sweden might get 50 000 – 100 000 extra asylum seekers from Germany with Germany’s immoral policy of denying Dublin returns if the asylum seeker has not been yet interviewed in Germany.
Thousands of Iraqis have voluntarily returned to Iraq and same goes for Afganistanis who have volutarily returned to Afganistan.
There are large safe areas inside Iraq and Afganistan so every asylum seeker from these countries (and also somalia) could have relocated internally to a safe area and as there has been thousands of voluntary returns all asylum applications By Iraqis and Afganistanis should be DENIED based on the possibility of internal flight which is a reason to REJECT an asylum application according to international treaties and international law.
Somalias largest cities including capital Mogadishu are completely safe and secured By african Union peacekeepers so all somali asylum application should also be REJECTED.
However the stupid bureaucrats in Welfare paying europe still keep admitting too many with ACCEPTANCE rates varying between countries between 30%-90% depending on which country has the stupidest and most clueless goverment bureaucrats for life.
(In Europe no matter how incompetent a bureaucrat is they won’t be fired and most are chosen for the top bureaucrats jobs based on party affiliation.)
“Who wants to live like a Bulgarian?”
Three points:
1. As a Bulgarian, I’m glad they don’t want to settle in Bulgaria.
2. I know many Bulgarians who live very comfortable lives there (I live in the US). Most Americans have no idea how miserable their lives are.
3. The refugees are idiots – they could settle in Bulgaria, get citizenship, and move elsewhere with an EU passport.
They don’t refuse relocation, they will surreptitiously relocate to Germany or other high-welfare state.
If one were to want to advance multiculturalism, the worst way to do it is by forcing people of other races and cultures that are backward and unwilling to conform into your society and then having a leadership DEMANDING that they be tolerated and embraced. People will tolerate being robbed of their wealth and culture as long as you don’t insult them in the process. After all, we need some dignity….don’t we?
Where can i sign up to be Syrian refugee? I want free food, lodging and medical also, unlike them, i love european culture and i speak english. :p
Fail .
‘I love European culture’ is a complete give away .
If you want in you need the ‘potential Jihadi’ look , you know … something that will keep the immigration official distracted by making him concentrate on, and then guiltily resolve, that doubt , and then eager to skip over the rest.
Does a word ‘camp’ come to mind? If they utter the magic word ‘asylum’ then they would be placed to a camp with no chance to exit before their status has been cleared and no money before they have been approved, only food and shelter and the necessities? No? That’s what I thought…
Refugees should be spayed/neutered as a condition of being granted asylum. That way Europe won’t lose its cultural identity.
Maybe the refugees value freedom more than money, and now recognize that they will be slaves of the EU living in a totalitarian state/empire that dictates their lives. Time to regroup, and find an alternative. Eastern European refugees I have met in the USA think this way, with freedom trumping money in their value systems. Immigrants to the USA (e.g. Irish, Polish) historically first settled where friends and relatives from their home country settled. Might not these immigrants also prefer to settle in established communities from their home countries? These refugee assignments seem very dehumanizing, like a random lottery. I too would run in the other direction from the Kafkaesque EU bureaucrats. On the positive side, it indicates that the refugees have not yet reached the end of the rope or final desperation; that they still have hope for a better life.
Of course given the choice, you would take the best deal. But Germany and Sweden are now slamming the benefit door shut tighter for new immigrants. Plus, is not the EU about equality and equal benefits, so that benefits should be roughly equal no matter what country the refugee is assigned to? I have seen no charts or data showing otherwise. Without interviewing some of the refugees, there is no way to “prove” refuge motivation in the camps.
I am sure all those who have disappeared have different stories to tell; and their stories may not be what we expect. As long as that “data” remains unknown, we are only left with our own observer biases applied to the numbers. Jury is not in yet on this story, in my view. I would certainly like to know more.
The “refugees” want to get away from Greece and cry and demonstrate at the Macedonian border that was closed by the actions of Austria and Slovenia which started closing their borders and thereby forced Croatia, Serbia and Macedonia also to close their borders (otherwise the 40 000 people in Greece now would have come to Serbia, Croatia or Macedonia to cry for passage to Germany/Sweden etc.) BECAUSE in Greece a refugee gets free food, tent or other really Basic accommodation and some urgent medical care if needed and schooling for kids and EVERYTHING ELSE must be earned By themselves working.
If one gets to Germany or Sweden and is granted asylum through a laughable process where the asylum application is decided By what the asylum seeker tells in an interview they get about 1000 Euros (1200 dollars) worth of apartment for FREE and they also get about 1000 Euros (1200 dollars) worth of FREE MONEY per month.
Their family will also be brought to Germany or Sweden through a family re-unification process and straight to welfare so their wife also gets the 1000 euros free per month and their kids get childrens allowances (more free money) and more kids means more money.
If one has 10 kids they get about 2000 euros (2400 dollars) through Childrens allowances.
Also more people means a bigger FREE apartment and on top of this free healthcare, free dental care, free daycare, free hobby money for the kids, free school, mostly free uiversity etc.
Other countries giving free apartments and free money for the rest of these “refugees” lives are Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Finland and Austria.
Austria was the one country who woke up and closed their border despite Merkel demanding that the Balkan route from Greece to Austria and Germany MUST STAY OPEN.
Merkel is completely off her hinges and should be replaced By Seehofer or some other pragmatical person from CDU/CSU (Merkels party alliance)
France is a bit more tight with the money and France also denies many asylum requests after actually researching things a bit more instead of just making the asylum decision based on the fairytale the asylum seeker tells.
You think people would be motivated to LIE when they can get an apartment and free money for the rest of their lives By LYING?
Countries like Greece which do NOT give much at all include Italy and the Italian French border had lots of Africans crying at the French border in the summer of 2015 when the French border police stopped these asylum shoppers from coming to France or using france to get to max welfare paying europe.
Italy has since solved their problem of too many africans coming By giving almost everybody a residence permit which entitles the holder to travel inside EU (to france or other welfare europe) so Italian government led By Renzi is totally and completely immoral and just wants to push africans onto the rest of europe any way it can and therefore Italy attracts lots of new people coming and now Italy is crying for help because it’s becoming the favorite route after the route through Greece is closed.
If NOBODY could get through Italy and Greece to welfare paying europe then NOBODY would come.
EU has been completely stupid in insisting that Schengen must be followed and borders kept open and all EU “solutions” like burden sharing from Greece and Italy to elsewhere in Europe have made the situation worse.
Now after the other EU “solution” namely hotspots in Greece and Italy where asylum seekers would be quickly given refugee status with an even shorter and more laughable process than the one used in Welfare paying EU-countries failed the newest EU-catastrophe By EU-commission is to want to destroy Dublin-agreement (first country the asylum seeker arrives in europe takes care of processing their asylum claim) and Replace it with EU asylum Agency which makes the decisions and FORCED burden sharing around Europe after a country has reached 150% of their yearly quota (decided By the EU) of asylum seekers.
The newest EU “solution” would make sure that this 150% would be reached By Greece and Italy in January of each year and every year February-December EVERYBODY coming to Greece and Italy would be instantly spread around Europe.
EU comission must employ the stupidest bureaucrats in the world because this scheme to destroy dublin-treaty, decide how many asylum seekers country must take, giving asylum decision power to EU asuylum agency and pushing everybody FORWARD from Greece and Italy after they reach 150% of their quotas would make 2015 seem like a slow and tranquil year By creating the biggest rush towards europe EVER.
EVERY EU country should give exactly ZERO benefits like Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary. Romania, Bulgaria do and there would not be any comers.
If the welfare paying europe wants to keep paying welfare the borders with Greece and Italy must be shut from asylum shoppers so there is Absolutely no way to get from Greece and Italy to welfare paying europe and people will stay home.
This includes STOPPING all transfers By EU and STOPPING Italy from handing out asylum status like Candy to try to push people to France and welfare paying europe and stopping the newest EU plans of transferring EVERYBODY after a country reaches 150% of it’s yearly limit decided By EU.
If the british have any sense at all they will vote for Brexit because EU-comission is insane in immigration but same complete ineptness and bad decisions happen in every area touched By the untouchable and un-democratic breaucrats in EU-comission and employed By EU-comssion.
“If the british have any sense at all they will vote for Brexit”
Jonathan Gruber said voters are stupid.
Congressman X said “Voters are incredibly ignorant. It’s far easier than you think to manipulate a nation of naive, self-absorbed sheep who crave instant gratification . . .”
I agree with Ron J, and katsaus, that this should indeed make the case for Brexit ironclad. To have fought off Germany in World War II, only to meekly submit to Merkel and the Brussels-Berlin axis is indeed mind-boggling. Empire and Conquest without a shot being fired, quite an accomplishment, this EU; and then for Merkel to seize control is really a bold move.
Most likely katsaus has captured the Zeitgeist. But I would like to see those refugees who refused to go tracked down and interviewed by the media. I would really like to hear their side of the story told by them; certainly, if I was in their ranks I would want the best deal possible (can’t blame them for that). The policy of fueling the wars producing the refugee flow is a root cause, and not of Merkel’s direct creation, but she has certainly in fact become the EU leader, calling the shots (e.g. negotiating with Turkey on her own mandate). Will see how iron-fisted she is in dealing with the EU dissenters if the fines do not work. I am sure if she had EU troops under her control she would blitzkrieg Poland, Hungary and other dissenters into submission. An endlessly fascinating saga.
I was reading one commentator who said that the idea behind welcoming the refugee inflow is the declining birth rate and shrinking population projections for native Europeans. I have read other articles reasoning that even the clash of Islam with traditional German and other European cultures is a self-serving government policy designed to strengthen the power of the state. In other words, the chaos and crime would prompt calls for a stronger police state and more government. Perhaps Merkel is stupid, like a fox. Centralized totalitarian police states seem to be the trend in USA and EU, same time as the old Communist centrally planned totalitarian states went in the other direction. Strangely fascinating world that we inhabit.
These beggars never worked a day in their lives. They happily subsisted on an oil stipend. They never knew anything different. They never intend to work in Sweden, Great Britain, et.al.
Un-employment rates for iraqis, somalis, afganistanis, syrians etc. are 50%-70% despite living 8 years in western European countries according to statistics.
This despite most of the women not being counted in these figures because they are perpetually pregnant and raising families of 10-12 children and cashing the generous childrens allowances and the official policy in western europe being multiculturalism so a Somali child living in Europe is taught Somali language first and the local language second.
Bureaucrats are so deluded that they think teaching somalis somali first in school will improve their integration.
School dropout rates are upto 40% for the second generation and By the third generation the situation is what happened in Belgium in Molenbeek (hiding terrorists, complete marginalization, throwing rocks at police) or what happens in ghettos surrounding Malmö and Stockhólm in Sweden where police cars move in groups of three and are re-inforced against stonings and where ambulance and firemen wait outside the ghetto for police escort before entering and where rapes and gangrapes have gotten completely out of hand so that Sweden now has the second most rapes in the world after South Africa.
Sweden’s politically correct bureaucrats have almost complete censorship on media reporting in Sweden and the Swedish politically correct crime statistics do NOT record who are the rapists so the fact that 80%-90% of rapes in Sweden are probably committed By immigrants can be hidden from public.
Swedens media concentrates on brainwashing swedes that Sweden and swedes are horrible people who have no culture and the immigrants should be worshiped because they have a rich culture and all their problems can be explained that swedes are horrible and complete racists and the swedish elites actually seem to have a competition who can blames Sweden/swedes the most and invent the most complicated fairytales why the integration is NOT working and why second and third generations are worse than the first when it comes to school dropout, crimes, unemployment etc.
Sweden is a country which has destroyed itself By destroying it’s future and will be a muslim majority country with sharia laws in 30-40 years.
Jack many of these refugees never got a chance to work. The Middle East has one of the highest unemployment rates in the world. Young well educated people cannot work. This happens in most Muslim countries these days. Many join the jihad because of this. Many have lived thru many wars and the killing on family.
I do agree they will never join the EU society as can be seen in France.
Every country in Europe has been invaded countless times over the mast couple of millennium. The invaders were always rested and killed when possible.
What’s changed?
1. Europe is not a country.
2. The invasion is peaceful.
3. Guests don’t invade. It is those that invite them that do, and it may take years to remove the power to do so from them.
The invaders arrive in a country, not an artificial concept such as “The Europe Union”.
Peaceful? Is theft peaceful? Who is paying for all of these immigrants? Most of Europe is in a hard spot right now and the people residing there are now being forced to subsidize a people who openly tell them they intend on eventually displacing them. Further, the occasions of violence perpetrated by these “peaceful” immigrants gives cause for leadership to demand MORE tolerance and acceptance by residents, claiming this violence only occurs as a result of European racism.
I agree , my point was to emphasize the disconnect in responsibilities, show how placing those responsibilities confuses people, and how hard it is for people to demand change, short of rioting.
when people first set foot in a non-war zone, they are no longer “refugees”, they are migrants.
rough for the Greeks.
What’s it got to do for the English?
EVERYBODY was already SAFE in Turkey.
All people should be stopped at the sea between Turkey and Greece and Turkey should be publicly shamed for letting the smugglers operate so long and letting many businesses in the turkish coast make lots of money selling boats and floating vests and other things to the people wanting to go to europe.
Everybody picked from the sea between Libya and Italy should be given a lift back to Africa instead of bringing them to Italy.
EU-should adopt the australian model and transfer every asylum seeker to South Africa and pay South Africa some money to process them and re-settle them in South Africa instead of bringing every welfare seeking fairytale teller to Europe
If you are buying turkish products or holidaying in Turkey you are supporting the irresponsible behaviour of Erdogan and Erdogans blackmail of EU.
STOP buying turkish products or Turkey made products and stop holidaying in Turkey UNTIL Turkey stops the smugglers completely and there is 0 arrivals to Greece for a year.
As goes Europe…
Congressman X:
“America’s on an irreversible decline and no one in Washington seems to care . . .”
As a Trump supporter, we know where these criminals belong! When he is elected hopefully they will all be incinerated in big mushroom clouds all over the Middle East.
Reblogged this on John Barleycorn and commented:
shopping asylum?
There are offers from Portugal and Spain to accept refugees , but few want to go to these countries , proving that they are really nothing more that economic migrants and who should be deported after their refusal