In the wake of at least four major terrorist attacks in Europe and others that were prevented in the nick of time, I thought it might be useful to take a look at the existing and policies refugee policies of President Obama and Hillary Clinton.
Obama – No Background Checks
President Obama is not in favor of background check on refugees calling them too cumbersome. He did not even change his stance following the terrorist attack in Paris France.
Please recall that in November of 2015, Obama Threatened to Veto a Bill Requiring Background Checks On Syrian Refugees.
Hillary Says Let’s Take in 65,000 Syrian Refugees
On September 20, 2015, Hillary proposed taking in 65,000 Syrian refugees on Face the Nation.
I would like to see us move from what is a good start with 10,000 to 65,000 and begin immediately to put into place the mechanisms for vetting the people that we would take in.”
She said there should be a focus on admitting the most vulnerable, like persecuted religious minorities, or those who had been brutalized, like the Yazidi women.
Clinton also said, “I want the United States to lead the world,” and said the United Nations Secretary General should call for a meeting at the upcoming U.N. General Assembly meeting in which countries make specific commitments about to provide money and aid.
The former secretary of state was an early proponent of arming moderate rebels inside Syria at the beginning of the conflict in order to fight the regime of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, but the administration did not begin a train and equip program until after she left her post as secretary of state, but has been plagued by problems. A top U.S. commander in the Middle East admitted last week that only four or five moderate Syrian fighters the U.S. trained still remained on the battlefield.
Face the Nation Interview
As with president Obama, Hillary did not change her stand following terrorist attacks in France and Belgium.
The New York Times reports Hillary, Sanders, O’Malley agree After Paris Attack U.S. Should Still Take Refugees.
Refugee Scorecard
Charlie Hebdo, Paris, Brussels, Nice
- On January 7, 2015 11 people were killed and another 11 injured in the Charlie Hebdo Murders.
- On November 13, 2015 a series of Coordinated Terrorist Attacks occurred in Paris and the city’s northern suburb, Saint-Denis. The attackers killed 130 people, including 89 at the Bataclan theatre. Another 368 people were injured, 80–99 seriously. Seven of the attackers also died. The attacks were the deadliest on France since World War II.
- On March 22, 2016 an Isis-Sponsored Suicide Bomb Attacks in Brussels Kills Dozens; Fear Descends on Belgium.
- On July 14, 2016 a Terrorist Attack in Nice killed at least 84. Another 18 remain in critical condition.
I think taking in 65,000 Syrian refugees is crazy and so do GOP governors who Vow to Close Doors to Syrian Refugees.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Hillary needs to back away from accepting 65,000 Syrian refugees and I predict she will beginning by claiming “I never said that”.
After she claims to have been dodging the truck in Nice.
Remember Mike, we’re in this together…
HRC.
O/T am filling in details on Turkey as I am able to by stringing snips of info in the replies section of the previous post of Mish.
Obviously Obama gives American lives no value
I for one think refugees need to have a background check as a minimum. We had the same problem when the first Cuban refugees hit our shores in the late 60’s and 90’s. I just do not get it anymore. The government is there to protect its citizens and now they just toss the principle out the door.
Do you all know that HUD just issued guidance to housing authorities that they can no longer deny criminals housing? What a fricking joke being played out on people. I was managing projects before the background checks went into play in the projects and honestly I was afraid to even go out at night there. When the criminal background checks were required the projects got cleaned out and it was safe for the residents and my maintenance staff. No longer did they have to call me because the bloods and the crips closed off whole streets to shoot at one another. Many times SWAT and I arrived before any work could be completed.
It was that scary back then. There were times when I feared for my life but the women in the hood actually told those gang bangers to leave the maintenance workers alone and the mailman. I know many here will not believe me and that is ok but it is the truth.
Regardless what people think about those living in housing, we owe them a safe environment to feel safe. Our government owes us the same thing. Hillary could care less about you and I and will do whatever she likes. Trump is untested so I do not know how he will act. Obama is on his way out so the point is now moot. I think Trump has a valid point. But as usual if Trump really wanted to stop the tide of illegal immigrants in this country he would hold business responsible. No jobs for illegals would mean they would go home.
I had to go thru the immigrant process for my first wife. The process is a pain in the ass but a background check was apart of it.
Just needs some good old fashioned common sense
Taking it further, HUD has declared Dubuque, Iowa part of Chicago, two hundred miles away. They have been trying to close public housing in Chicago and send the people to other public housing with “vouchers” which they demand be honored before any local Dubuque County residents can be taken. Apparently they feel two hundred miles away in another state in a city founded by France (1776) before the Louisiana Purchase is in a “Chicago Zone” of some kind. You can expect based on this foolishness that HUD will make similar demands on public housing throughout the US for Muslim refugees who will turn public housing into foreign no-go ghettos.
Should America open it’s doors to refugees is part of a bigger debate. Over the last several years the “stop globalization” movement has gained support in developed countries across the world. Currently, the forces against globalization are growing stronger, globalization seems to be a magnet pulling blame for many of the problems we see across the planet.
This polarizing subject has created some rather strange bedfellows and alliances. A discussion of globalization can include several issues such as, immigration and free trade. Other social concerns also feed into the mix, things like global warming, nationalism, inequality, even population growth. The article below delves into this matter.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2016/07/is-stop-globalization-movement-justified.html
Globalization. ?
Anybody ever notice that globalization is only done to white European populations?
Africa will look like Africa in 100 years
China will look like China in 100 years
Same goes for
Pakistan…
India …
Mexico…
Indonesia…
Phillipines..
You name it.
None of those places are having globalization done to them.
So why don’t we call a spade a spade and see it for what it is
Ethnic Cleansing
Agreed and it will create more problems than they can handle. Delighted the UK voted for Brexit, just need to ensure it carried out
If Obama wants to admit refugees without screening , I would like to see his daughters sharing a classroom with some of them
There is no downside for the left to bring in unlimited amounts of third world refugees to the US on the taxpayer’s dime. Every last one of them is dependent on the welfare state and a democratic party voter for life. As for the occasional islamist terrorist the cultural marxist left always shifts the blame on guns to suit their narrative, reduce freedom and undurmine the Constitution. Dead US citizens, never ending war and sky high deficits are a great way for them to stay in power and destroy the US which is the left’s ultimate goal..
“There is no downside for the left to bring in unlimited amounts of third world refugees to the US on the taxpayer’s dime.”
There is when the American people start to revolt against it, as is happening in the EU.
Are they so power hungry they are willing to destroy everything good and valuable to rule over crap if that is what it takes for them to be in charge? Yes.
Muslims vote as a block for democrats.
They give generously to democrat candidates.
For generations.
Until they will be able to vote for sharia law.
Any violence against Americans by muslims will be blamed on islamophobia and the need for more gun control.
That is all you really need to know.
it Official Trump is The nominee. Now make sure you ask for a paper ballot and bring a sharpie. It worked for Britex. The only one from the start said “Close the borders “was Trump. He was lambasted for saying He enforce the laws on the books . It insane to not to varify who you let in to your country in the time of war. Look what happened to Rome and what is happening in Europe Today.
American born male children sometimes grow up and commit terrorist attacks, maybe we need to consider a ban on those as well.
Maybe you should stop employing the reasoning capability of a four year-old.
Based on that we should let more such people in. Back to the pub Paddy.
Before PC that used to be called Juvenile Delinquent. but now People like You try to tone down what the rufegee do. So all acts by Kids is called domestic terrorism.
“President Obama is not in favor of background check on refugees calling them too cumbersome.”
What happened in Idaho? Was that refugee related?
It is difficult to oppose leaders who do not have the best interest of our nation at heart and who are pawns of the Zioglobalist monstrosity. Their machinations proceed more smoothly when their citizens are unable to think clearly because of nonstop MSM nonsense propaganda and because they have been tricked into assuming unreasonable debt and can only find work that gives them no sense of security. When people fear their local safety they are rendered even more pliable. Best solution to the problem is to stop raping the “Southern Hemisphere” countries economically and murdering their populations and destroying their vital infrastructures with those oh-so profitable military campaigns.
People should look at the Ellis Island museum (one of the earliest and busiest immigration processing locations in the US — it sits right next to the Statue of Liberty). It was in operation from late 1800s to the late 1950s, processing and screening millions of immigrants.
Obviously the ships could have unloaded immigrants directly to Manhattan (what many people assume is NYC). They had to first stop at Ellis Island, where they were screened for all manner of things. Mandatory medical tests for TB, malaria, measles, and a long list of other diseases that were pretty vague… if you failed the tests, you were sent back to whatever country you came from at the expense of the passenger ship company. This forced the passenger ship companies to do some screening of their own before leaving Europe.
A second battery of tests checked for mental illness (very poorly defined) and various political causes (aka terrorism before it was called that). Again, rejection cost the passenger ship line a cabin to return the offender back to Europe.
Millions of Irish, Dutch, Germans, and Polish had *ALL* their relatives go through this screening process. It is ridiculous that today’s pandering, lying politicians think screening immigrants is a new thing or somehow different from US history.
Maybe a DNC servant (whoops! staffer they are called now) should buy Hilary a history book — except she would just lie about it anyway
It’s simple and it’s been obvious for decades, the FEDs are doing what it takes to destroy America… and they have been doing a great job!!!
whats the difference between “background checks” and “vetting”. Seems like the same thing to me..
This is the forced colonization of mostly white nations with indigent illiterates from 3rd world cesspools. Not the best and the brightest. Rather, the poorest and the dumbest. The outcome could only add more civil strife and public fund expenditures. IMO it is an assault on the people who live in the host nations and that could only result in a lower standard of living for the worker bees. IMO it’s a direct effort to hasten the decline of western civilization. And it’s being perpetrated by those we elect to high office.
What’s happened in the past week and the clear fact that Erdogan is no moderate but an extreme supporter of ISIS if not it’s titular leader now sure has changed everything to me. I don’t think all this cop killing us an accident…the President has never condemned the violence so basically he’s greenlighted the whole thing as a “net positive” for the African American community…in effect alligning himself with ISIS as well.
I’m not sure where HRC and Bill come down on all this but I sure wouldn’t want to be seen campaigning with the guy. He’s President “Burn this Country to the ground” at this point…thinks it’s funny too I imagine.
Odd Russia and Israel table pounding as a go for ISIS as well…but supreme hate makes for odd bedfellows.
I think the Loonie Left will throw everything they’ve got into this one as there is no going back once your basically a subset of a terrorist organization.
Would appear Americans have armed themselves correctly…the problem with the Democrats is the wrong people have the guns near as I can tell.
I’m not going to be voting for Trump because I still think the problem remains the soldiers in the field and how to bring them home…but the Democratic Party looks like nothing more than a State sponsor of terror against Americans at this point.
WTF?
The U.S. is a nation of immigrants. However, with that being said, the wave of immigrants from Europe during the Industrial Revolution was largely of Judeo-Christian faith. They were largely unskilled, but there were many unskilled jobs at that time. They were also vetted (screened) for basic health concerns, but that’s about it. Assimilation into the culture was not a problem since basic values and mores were largely the same for all ethnic groups.
Fast-forward to 2008+. Immigration from Mexico and Central America. Many of these are here illegally. Since the Obama/Hillary created ME disaster, we have increasing numbers of immigrants from almost exclusively Islamic countries in the ME region. This is part of the globalists plan. The problem now is that the Industrial Revolution is over and the need for unskilled labor with it. ME “refugees” are largely unskilled and also bring their religion, which is integrally tied to their culture and politics, and makes it very difficult to assimilate/integrate into Western civilization as we know it.
The strategy is apparently to bring in immigrants dependent on the gov’t. social welfare system and overwhelm conservative voters with millions of newly minted Democrats (i.e. Socialists). Not to mention that Islam and Sharia Law are incompatible with Western civilization. The overall plan in the West – both Europe and U.S. – seems to be to wipe out existing culture and independence and replace it with a homogenized, docile, easy to control – since dependent on the gov’t. – populace. Socialism was never about equality, but rather about power and control. This comes with the added benefit of Islamic terrorism as Muslims work to install Sharia Law and cause general mayhem among the infidels. Thanks Obama. America as we know it is doomed if this strategy is allowed to continue much longer. Just look to Europe to see where we’re going. They’re farther along the timeline. Socialism is pure evil as are those who implement its policies and practices.
This reading is churlishly anachronistic. Any student of 19th-century American history knows the waves of immigrant Jews and Roman Catholics in this era were greatly feared by urban WASPs. Furthermore, these groups weren’t classed as what we’d recognize as “whites.” Jews, Irish, Italians, Poles–among others–were all viewed as racially inferior. In fact, if we could speak to a Victorian-era, middle-class American today, he’d probably tell us that the downfall of American civilization began when the hordes of Roman Catholics arrived–and perhaps he’d be right. Who are we to say? Most of the Muslim refugees arriving in the U.S. today are being managed by Catholic charities. Perhaps it’s a Papist conspiracy?
America has never been a nation of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS except for the last 20 years. It has to stop if we are a sovereign nation. It’s destroying the values that made us great. The propaganda media refuses to differentiate between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration. That’s incredibly dishonest and is adding to our decline.
Either America is doomed or Americans will have to decide whether saving their country is worth getting their hands VERY dirty.
Another thing to add is that there wasn’t a welfare state AKA if you didn’t integrate and find work you would largely end up going home. This is true for about 1/3 of the immigrants from the early 20th century.
I don’t see the point of all this talk about background checks of refugees. War torn regions have no stable governments with which to interact with to get background info on people (and you can’t trust the governments that do exist in those regions).
Moreover, even a 100% verification that a given person has never been involved with anything improper doesn’t guarantee they won’t become radicalized in the future.
And I say this as someone who has very strong pro-immigrant inclinations. I am pretty much for open borders, taking the view that we have far more to gain by allowing people to immigrate than not. I just hate all the focus on refugees. It’s completely bonkers to open the floodgates to people who are at the bottom rungs of education and employability while tightening requirements for educated immigrants who find jobs (like H-1B visa holders, for example).
If you are a proponent of open borders then you should be a proponent of paying 50% more (to include my share) in taxes to pay for all the foreigners encroaching on our land and using our resources and services.
What’s fair is fair. You want open borders? You pay for it.
Second what LDOldTimer said, and I would add that the illegal immigrants should all live in your neighborhood (Surkan) and go to your kids schools and your “free” hospital that should be subsidized by extra taxes paid by you.
I have no problem having lots of immigrants move to my area. Many of the public schools are already majority Indian/Asian here. Over 80% of my engineering colleagues are immigrants and they’re fantastic. My daughter went to an elementary school that was 50% Hispanic and she made a lot of great friends in that community. Most of my 11 year-old son’s friends are Indians and Chinese.
The tax revenue we gain from these immigrants is far greater than the costs of services provided to them.
Frankly, it is Americans who are the minority both in my work and the schools my kids go to. heck, I am a Canadian immigrant myself.
And Surkan, do the homeless people all over San Fran agree with your political position?
Why don’t you post your home address and invite them into your home.
Ah ha — you aren’t pro imigration. You *ARE* an immigrant. And you personify the problem.
You left Canada and came to the US for better economic opportunity.
Then you get here and try to change the US to be more like the shithole you just worked so hard to leave!!
If you like Canada so much — why did you come to the US? Why not go back?
What kind of pompous @ss shows up in another person’s house and starts ordering their host to re-arrange the furniture and the meal plan to suit the guests wishes? You arrogant pompous @ss!!!
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Surkan is not being truthful. The public grade schools near me are also 50 % Hispanic now.
Very large illegal immigrant population moving in during the last 4 years.
So what do they do ? They are teaching classes in English and Spanish, even though all studies have shown this is a detriment to both groups.
They have slowed the classes down. To let the Spanish Speaking students catch up.
They give limited or no homework, because they say the Spanish students do not have parents that can help them – so it is not fair.
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And the Private School in our area. Not slowed down one bit and everyone is getting in College. .
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I can tell you one thing for certain. There were no illegal immigrants in Obama’s neighborhood nor his children’s schools.
I have no issue with legal immigration. None whatsoever. But there should be a plan.
A plan to educate, a plan to house and a plan to employ.
Europe is proof of what happens when you have no plan. > 80 % males let into the Country with limited language skills, limited education, no chance for employment, poor housing, no entertainment and no women.
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And then every one wonders why there is rampant rape and crime.
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If they really want to help, they should stop bankers from printing food inflation that the third world poor cannot afford.
We could trade them their entire population of ISIS fighters for “our” politicians, Fed hacks, banksters and apparatchiks; and come out way ahead per any meaningful metric.
Send them to Merkel
The vetting process should be simple.. check if they’re religious or not. We have way too many regressive religious nut-balls already and lets face it, they’re the ones all too ready to do something rash due to some misguided ideology.