Here’s a hoot. A Wall Street Survey shows Economists Expect December Rate Hike.
Why? Because economic uncertainty will allegedly vanish between September and December.
A consensus is forming among economists that the Federal Reserve will hold off on its next interest-rate increase until December.
About 71% of the 62 economists surveyed by The Wall Street Journal this month said the Fed will next raise short-term rates at its Dec. 13-14 meeting. That is a sharp rise from the July survey, where half said policy makers would next move in December, and from the June survey, where just 7.8% held that view.
In a July 31 speech, New York Fed President William Dudley argued “for caution in raising U.S. short-term interest rates.” Yet he added “it is premature to rule out further monetary policy tightening this year.”
Two days later, Atlanta Fed chief Dennis Lockhart called the economic picture “ambiguous,” but said, “I can imagine conditions in which we could have a rate hike.”
Charles Evans, the Chicago Fed president, said last week he would prefer to see inflation pick up more before moving, but noted: “I could see one more rate increase even If I would prefer none.”
Economists in the survey indicated they doubted the uncertainty in the economic outlook would clear up in time for the Fed to raise rates at its meeting Sept. 20-21. By December, however, the picture should be clearer, they said.
John Silvia, chief economist at Wells Fargo, said waiting until December would offer “greater clarity on a host of issues.”
Mount Everest of Uncertainty.
The same geniuses who figure things will become more certain between September and December also say Election-Induced Uncertainty Harming U.S. Economy.
For the first time in this election cycle, most economists surveyed by The Wall Street Journal believe uncertainty from the coming election is crimping economic activity.
While every election spurs some economic uncertainty, more than 80% of respondents to the Journal’s latest survey of economists rate the current cycle as presenting an unusual muddle. A majority—57%—said the economy has suffered, at least somewhat, as a result.
“This election introduces a Mount Everest of uncertainty,” said Kevin Swift, chief economist at the American Chemistry Council.
Economists have long believed that, in general, uncertainty has the potential to restrain consumer spending and business investment, if people and businesses have significant questions about the taxes and regulations they will face down the road.
Until this month’s survey, however, the majority of economists thought even an election like this year’s didn’t rise to the level of posing a macroeconomic problem.
Things Will Become More Certain Between September and December
Curiously, just as Hillary’s odds soar through the stratosphere according to Nate Silver Election Odds at 86% as of August 11, economists suddenly discovered a “Mount Everest” of election uncertainty.
Uncertainty “Greater in the Abstract”
“The range of potential political outcomes is much greater in the abstract,” said Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP. “The market has doubts about how that uncertainty will translate into concrete action.”
Somehow this will clear up between September and December even though Hillary will likely face a Republican Congress.
Uncertain Measures of Uncertainty
This talk of uncertainty is beyond preposterous.
Caroline Baum, one of my favorite economic writers (on Bloomberg for many years until they stopped using much of her material in favor of garbage), had an excellent column on uncertainty on MarketWatch in April: Uncertainty is a Fact of Life, So Get Used to It.
I discussed that chart and other uncertainty silliness in Uncertain Measures of Uncertainty.
Please give it a look.
Fed Uncertainty Principle
Also consider one of all-time favorite posts called the Fed Uncertainty Principle.
The Observer Affects The Observed
The Fed, in conjunction with all the players watching the Fed, distorts the economic picture. I liken this to Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle where observation of a subatomic particle changes the ability to measure it accurately.
The Fed, by its very existence, alters the economic horizon. Compounding the problem are all the eyes on the Fed attempting to game the system.
Here is a recap of the Fed Uncertainty Principle and its corollaries as I wrote them on April 3, 2008, before the crash.
Fed Uncertainty Principle:
The fed, by its very existence, has completely distorted the market via self reinforcing observer/participant feedback loops. Thus, it is fatally flawed logic to suggest the Fed is simply following the market, therefore the market is to blame for the Fed’s actions. There would not be a Fed in a free market, and by implication there would not be observer/participant feedback loops either.
Corollary Number One:
The Fed has no idea where interest rates should be. Only a free market does. The Fed will be disingenuous about what it knows (nothing of use) and doesn’t know (much more than it wants to admit), particularly in times of economic stress.
Corollary Number Two:
The government/quasi-government body most responsible for creating this mess (the Fed), will attempt a big power grab, purportedly to fix whatever problems it creates. The bigger the mess it creates, the more power it will attempt to grab. Over time this leads to dangerously concentrated power into the hands of those who have already proven they do not know what they are doing.
Corollary Number Three:
Don’t expect the Fed to learn from past mistakes. Instead, expect the Fed to repeat them with bigger and bigger doses of exactly what created the initial problem.
Corollary Number Four:
The Fed simply does not care whether its actions are illegal or not. The Fed is operating under the principle that it’s easier to get forgiveness than permission. And forgiveness is just another means to the desired power grab it is seeking.
If and when the economists are ever “certain” about the economy, I am certain they will be wrong. Meanwhile ….
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Actually, economic uncertainty vanished some months ago. It is certain that we are headed for the Recession From Hell.
Here’s the setup.
Trump wins in November…(((they))) will raise rates, and the rigged stock market is going to get slammed.
Election of Trump by the great unwashed will be blamed.
Then the market will recover (a-la Brexit)….and (((they))) will raise again…market will dive, but less this time.
Market will recover again…and then start taking off….only to be met by more rate raises.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Book it!
Rates are going nowhere but down (absent a possible ceremonial quarter point increase this year) …. my money on NIRPville in 2017.
Business Cycle has not been repealed … and current cycle OVER.
Hillary was here in Warren Michigan today. The mayor was uninvited to the event because he was a Bernie supporter. protesters galore…
http://www.macombdaily.com/events/20160811/clinton-offers-economic-vision-at-warren-facility
I believe the stock market will suffer regardless of who wins the election. Democrats or Republicans makes no difference. I believe we are going to have a steady rise in interest rates further damaging the stock market. The worst is yet to come and soon. Good luck to all.
It’s not clear to me how the U.S. gov’t will manage its debt if we have a steady rise in interest rates. Every 1 percent is another 190 billion dollars. How much of this steady rise can be managed? And if a steady rise in U.S. interest rates happened, then how does that mesh with all these other nations with negative interest rates on their gov’t debt?
Uncertainty ends at death. I am praying for Janet Yellen.
(((seconded)))
Motion carried.
Corollary Number 5:
The Fed’s actual movement are dependant on advanced computer technology which can accomplish things that could never be accomplished by human control. Imagine balancing a 16 pound bowling ball on the edge of a razor blade. Now, unplug various power inputs. Markets return to normal.
“economic uncertainty will allegedly vanish between September and December.”
Sure sure … there is no “uncertainty” to 2017 health insurance premium notices hitting household mailboxes in October (or there about) … and I’m certain on how they will be received … and, obviously, this is not on “experts” radar … yet.
“Experts” are nothing more than well paid clowns.
“When everyone is thinking the same thing, someone isn’t thinking” – Gen. George S. Patton
I lost all respect for Economists as a profession over the years. It culminated in 2008 after most of them justified the market and housing bubbles. Particularly the college economists. Paid mouthpieces for BIG MONEY and Uncle Sam. Today I get more accurate forecasts from my barber than from the average economist.
Unfortunately we live in a gamed society. The highest bidder always wins. The professions we once held in the highest esteem are now looked upon with a jaded eye.
Naturally in a corrupted and gamed society there’s going to be a boatload of ‘uncertainty’. Duh?
Don’t expect change. BIG MONEY wants the status quo – hence Hillary is their ace in the hole. And in America BIG MONEY gets what BIG MONEY wants – until Mr. Math steps into the picture and rains on their parade.
And who knows how long that will take?
Picture going to a play. There’s the stage, there’s the props, there’s the actors and actresses, there’s the practiced script. What is really going on is not on that stage, that’s the narrative to keep you fixated.
Despite the bashing that Trump is taking he’s standing his ground and speaking his mind. Trump says that if the American people don’t like his style that we can go with Hillary. And he’s not backing off on his statements that Obama founded ISIS and Hillary was the co-founder simply because there’s a ton of truth to those statements. We don’t need another politician in the White House. Politicians got us to the point we’re at.
Not sure if Trump really wants to move into the White House now. Who could blame him? The media would nit-pick him to death and blame him for everything without giving credit where credit was due. The writing is on the wall. Why would any man walk into that trap? The economy is sure to go south in the next 4-8 years. Trump would get blamed for it all, whereas Hillary and Bill would get a pass.
I wouldn’t blame Trump at all for wanting to bow out at this point in time.
“I wouldn’t blame Trump at all for wanting to bow out at this point in time.”
Hold your horses, LFOldTimer. Hillary may be bowing out if Julian Assange has the goods on her that he is claiming. The Swedish government is going to get to a crack at Assange afterall. It looks like Ecuador has relented to their demands recently after allowing Assange to hole up in their London embassy for the last four years.
Where is that pressure coming from? Who has suddenly put Ecuador in a headlock? How big must the check made out to The Clinton Foundation be in order to get them to roll over on Assange? I think he may yet have some juice to squirt in the DNC’s eye.
It would be poetic justice if Hi-LIAR-y is the one in office in 2018 when Obamacare self destructs and takes medicare down with it.
Lets say GDP gets going again (not sure how taxes and regulation and crime would do this, but lets say) — in “good” years the GDP of the US grows about 5-6% per year… for a year or two. 4-5% average over a few years for an honest economic recovery (as opposed to a Bernanke/Yellen sponsored debt binge).
Meanwhile, ACTUAL health costs are still climbing 20-30% per year — with insurance premiums climbing 25-30% (and deductibles doubling at the same time).
So how many stupid morons does it take to figure out that 25% health cost growth (compounded year after year) is much greater than 5% GDP growth?
This isn’t partisan opinion, this is math. Obamacare can’t work, and therefor it won’t.
England’s NHS and Canada’s fantasy world are both coming apart because oil royalties aren’t growing as fast as the elderly population (north sea royalties are shrinking).
We have already seen multiple insurance companies in the US back out of Obamacare exchanges, not to mention the financial failure of Illinois state system. The federal government doesn’t have $700 billion in surplus (it has a mind boggling deficit)
So called democrats are just lying to themselves (like Bernie and his 3rd private house) — or they are mathematically stupid. You don’t deserve respect if you believe 5% > 25%, you are just a fool.
There is no free lunch. If Mr Obama had been raised in the USA, he would have learned that in kindergarten.
Anyway, you can all go back to worshiping Elon Mush so he can get more welfare for his ultra-left wing frauds. Maybe Obama can fly AF1 around the world a few times while you work overtime to pay the costs. Then complain and act surprised when there is nothing left for your pension, your children’s school.
Oh, and as your pension gets canceled and your children live in your basement struggling under student loans, remember that Professors Bernanke, Yellen, Krugman, Jon Gruber (Obama-fraud), etc are all enjoying their retirements with six figure pensions.
F U peasants. You voted for this on your own “free will” and stupidity
If I ignore my herpes it will go away. Ppl do it with their health why are you surprised that they see greener pastures ahead economically. In the end the pain is so severe.
Personally I find chicken entrails a very useful forward indicator of interest rates and fed policy.
In a July 31 speech, New York Fed President William Dudley argued “for caution in raising U.S. short-term interest rates.” Yet he added “it is premature to rule out further monetary policy tightening this year.”
Way to talk out both sides of the mouth, Dudley.
Pray tell, how can there be ANYTHING BUT UNCERTAINTY?
We haven’t witnessed any authentic price discovery in a decade or longer. Fantasy based accounting abounds while we await the first CEO to face Sarbanes-Oxley prosecution.
An “uncertainty index”, indeed. What’s next, effusive praise of The Maastricht Treaty due to it’s “stability clause” that has been so effective in preventing instabilîty across Europe?
LMAO.
The fed is caught once again blowing a bubble. This time in equities. Thus one will end worse than the last two because there are no good solutions for a terminally ill patient. The next reboot of the economy will be permanent and result in a massive reset of the global economy. Prices will crash and so will incomes.