On October 11, I penned Trump Destroyed Trump, Not the Media: “This Election is Over”.
I took a lot of flack for that post. Several readers emailed, asking me to reconsider my switch to Johnson. Many still think Trump has a chance. Some accused me of believing all the sex scandal accusations.
The latter group is wrong. I did not believe the accusations because I did not even see them. I tuned the election out after the first debate. I decided at that time Trump blew it, and I was mad as hell at Trump because he could have won.
Nearly another week has passed, and I stand by my assertion the “election is over”.
I still do not know what the accusations are. At this point it hardly matters.
However, I do have second thoughts about what the biggest protest vote is. Realistically, that’s all that remains for the “never Hillary” consortium.
Before we get to the protest vote decision, let’s take a peek at what Dilbert founder Scott Adams has to say about lies.
Lie Detection and Scandals
Please consider Lie Detection and Scandals by Scott Adams.
When Clinton’s surrogates respond to questions about Wikileaks by saying the Russians are behind it, that’s an acknowledgment of guilt. Guilty people almost always question the source of the information first. Innocent people start with a clear denial, or sometimes confusion as to why the question is being asked.
Some guilty people will give you a straight denial if they know the question is coming and they prepared for it. For example, Bill Clinton famously said of Monica Lewinsky, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.” A firm denial from a prepared witness doesn’t mean anything. But a lack of denial, combined with questioning the source, is almost always a lie. Here’s the summary.
Example:
Did you commit the crime?
Liar: “Who told you that?”
Honest Person: “Hell no. I was at work. You can check.”
Prepared/coached Liar: “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”
Notice that you can’t always tell the difference between an honest answer and a well-coached liar. But the liar without good coaching is as obvious as a lighthouse. When Clinton surrogates redirect any question about Wikileaks to “Russia did it” they are confirming that they believe the content is real and damaging. They just don’t realize they are confirming it.
Now let’s talk about Trump. When Trump “categorically denies” the accusations of inappropriate sexual behavior, that form of an answer is common to both honest people and well-prepared liars. You can’t tell anything from Trump’s answer.
But Trump’s supporters and surrogates clearly believe Trump is guilty. You can tell by the precision of their answers. An honest opinion from a surrogate that Trump is totally innocent of all charges would look like this:
“None of it happened. It is all lies.”
Instead, you hear deceptive talk that fits these two forms:
1. “It can’t be a coincidence that everyone came forward at the same time.”
2. “Trump categorically denies the allegations and we take him at his word.”
The first response questions the source of the information, which I already taught you is a sign of deception.
The second response allows the surrogate to avoid giving an opinion on the facts and instead focus on their belief in the candidate. “Take him at his word” is code for “He’s on his own to defend the allegations. Keep me out of it.”
As regular readers know, I now endorse Gary Johnson because he only touches himself. But let me put some context on both the Wikileaks info and Trump’s alleged groping/kissing.
Monkey Business
Adams provides examples of come-ons to billionaires and even famous people like himself. Adams says “I’m willing to bet that when Trump is alone with a woman, she often – but not always – sends signals of availability, whether she intends it or not. Her rational mind – and her words – might be giving a clear message of no while her eyes, body language, and other signals are responding to power the way humans have evolved to respond.”
Realistically speaking that’s what happened with Bill Clinton in the White House, Gary Hart with his “Monkey Business”, and Camelot president John F. Kennedy.
The difference is Bill Clinton and the beloved John F. Kennedy messed around while president. That’s worse. And Hart challenged the media while guilty. How stupid is that?
Adams goes on to say “I don’t excuse or condone anything Trump has allegedly done. That’s his problem. I’m just providing you with some context. In Trump’s billionaire world, women send mixed signals far more often than you probably imagine.”
That is my position as well. There are many things Trump has said or done that I do not condone.
I am also an equal party basher. I am interested in issues, not political parties. I supported Trump for three reasons:
- Trump is far less a war monger than Hillary
- Trump is an anti-establishment protest vote
- Trump was the best candidate meeting conditions 1 and 2 with a chance of winning.
Reason number three is gone. Trump has no realistic chance of winning.
What Now?
Since I can never vote for Hillary, much like I could never vote for Obama, Bush, or McCain, I am left pondering the question “What is the biggest protest vote possible?”
In my state, Illinois, as in most states, there is no certain answer.
Perhaps a case can be made for sitting the election out. But I have never missed a presidential election since I was 18. And I will vote in this one.
I may switch back to Trump, or I may vote for Johnson.
Utah voters have a third choice.
Utah Poll: Independent Evan McMullin ties Trump
Fox News reports Utah Poll: Independent Evan McMullin Ties Trump.
The poll of likely voters, conducted Saturday and Sunday by Rasmussen Reports shows a sensational result in Utah, where two points separates the top three candidates. Donald Trump has 30%, conservative Evan McMullin has 29%, and Hillary Clinton has 28%. Gary Johnson has collapsed to 5%, with Stein at 1%.
If the 2016 Presidential Election were held today, would you vote for Republican Donald Trump, Democrat Hillary Clinton, Independent Conservative Evan McMullin, Libertarian Gary Johnson or Green Party candidate Jill Stein?
Results were:
30% Trump
28% Clinton
29% McMullin
5% Johnson
1% Stein
2% Some other candidate
4% Not sureThe margin of error was 4 points, putting all three leading candidates in a statistical tie. Gary Johnson collapsed from previous polls to just five percent.
Evan McMullin Could Win Utah and the Presidency
Nate Silver reports Evan McMullin Could Win Utah and the Presidency.
If Clinton doesn’t run away with this, there is another candidate who may also have seen his chances of becoming president skyrocket. The third-most likely person to be the next president of the United States: Evan McMullin.
It would take a fascinating scenario — in which much of the technical detail of how we select presidents comes into play — for McMullin to be sworn in as the 45th president, but the chances of its happening are slim, not none. Indeed, his chances of at least making things very interesting may be as high as 1 to 3 percent — about the same as the odds of the Cubs’ coming back to beat the Giants on Monday.
His path to the presidency basically looks like this:
- Win Utah
- Deadlock the Electoral College
- Win in the House
Point number 1 is realistically possible. And while a deadlock in the electoral college is highly unlikely, it is not impossible. Utah has 6 electoral college votes.
This takes us to step number 3. It would take a miracle, but it’s possible. Silver goes through all the contortions. Click on the link if you are interested.
Third Party Movement
Speaking as someone who generally dislikes both parties, I welcome a third party movement.
I am …
- An anti-war advocate
- A fiscal conservative
- A firm believer in small government
- A free trade advocate
- A huge believer in minding our own business internationally (think New Zealand)
- A social liberal who believes government does not belong in the bedroom
- A social liberal who believes in freedom of choice
I firmly believe a candidate with those views could win, but we cannot get such a candidate because Republicans will generally not go along with 1, 5, 6, and 7; and Democrats will not go along with 2 or 3.
No party is remotely fiscally conservative in practice. The Republicans had eight years to show fiscal restraint. They failed. Government expanded.
Obama promised “change you could believe in”. That was a great slogan but under Obama US drone policy expanded. We made a mess in Libya.
Interestingly, the slogan was arguably honest. Obama did not promise change, he promised a belief. People believed, but Obama delivered little changed except for Obamacare, and that was a massive mistake.
Reconsideration
Several people asked me to reconsider my switch to Johnson. I have. The best protest vote in Utah is likely Evan McMullin.
For the rest of the country, the best protest vote may be Trump or Johnson. I do not know. It likely varies state by state. For example, Trump has no chance in California or in Illinois where I live.
I have been told “a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary”. That’s nonsense, but especially in Utah.
I would welcome a viable third party, which is why I switched to Johnson.
For those who dislike Hillary, my only suggestion at this juncture is to make the biggest anti-establishment protest vote you possibly can.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Trump is the only real protest vote.
Stein? Give me a break she does exactly what the central bankers would have her do without prompting.
Clinton? Nuff said.
Johnson? OBVIOUS PUPPET. Can you say “TPP” ?
I think Trump will overcome the voter fraud and win, but I can tell you one thing for sure… If Clinton wins, that American Flag displayed on my front porch will be sticking out the top of my garbage bag at the curb the following garbage day.
The crowd was yelling “PAUL RYAN SUCKS!” At today’s Trump rally in Green Bay, WI.
The voters delivered Republican control of both bodies of the legislature in 2014 and Ryan has delivered nothing in return . As alluded to by Trump, he is “a weak, ineffective leader”. When the Billy Bush tape was released, suddenly the spineless Ryan had nerves of steel in his resolve to disown Trump. It’s sickening . Every candidate onstage for the very first primary debate was asked if they would pledge their support to the eventual nominee.
They all agreed to it, but I guess that didn’t include Ryan.
One thing sticks to Ryan that he will never ever live down…. His first endeavor as Speaker Of the House was to pass that God awful democraptic Omnibus Spending Bill, which was supposed to fund the government till 45 days after obunghole left office….They just passed a spending gap measure to add to that before the spineless snakes slithered off to vacation-for-reelection.
Conservatives have learned to live with disappointment for so many years we have almost forgot how to think in any other way. Defeatism is in our culture. We have been controlled by our politicians who have failed us for decades. Ryan was supposedly our next great new hope, but unfortunately he was just a product of years of establishment grooming. We should have expected no less.
The two major parties were pushing the binary choice and too many bought into that, thinking the protest that wins is trump. But trump was very flawed from the start, and the weakest of the GOP candidates vs clinton.
Beyond that trump could hardly be believed on #1 – and gave all kinds of indication he’d be as bad a clinton on all the other six criteria. He reversed himself on so many positions it is impossible to predict what he’d really do!
Hindsight is 20/20, and perhaps a Mish endorsement of and continued argumentation for Johnson from the start might have moved the needle a bit. We will never know.
If we all let ourselves be railroaded into the binary choice paradigm, we reinforce the oligopoly of the two major parties, and they will continue to offer up cr@p sandwiches.
What difference is it if it is a binary choice or a multitude, if ALL of them stink. The reality is that Trump is an outsider and only was able to do what he has done by doing it as a Republican. A third party is not an option as it will never have the platform to effectively promote its candidate. Ultimately ANY person of ANY party can be elected IF they can garner the votes.
Personally, I believe the answer is having NO parties and allowing anyone to run as long as they can get enough petition votes to qualify. Once qualified, we have a series of runoff elections…a process of elimination, until we have only two left. I do not want three or more running as it dilutes platforms where we can have multiple candidates running as various levels of conservatism and only a single liberal who could win by a simple plurality.
Ummm, Ryan was never a candidate, so I don’t know what debate you were watching …
He was a candidate, VP under Mitt “ain’t shit Romney in 2008, but the Ryan reference had nothing to do with candidacy, rather support for Trump, or nonsupport, Doesn’t matter, Ryan is a traitor to the POTUS (People Of The United States).
Sorry, my comment was directed at Diogenes, who somehow seems to recall Ryan pledging support for the eventual nominee during the debates. Ryan wasn’t there, so he/she must be mistaken.
“They all agreed to it, but I guess that didn’t include Ryan.”
Did I post something different elsewhere?
I think it is important that we vote our conscience, a protest vote, where we vote for someone we KNOW will not win over one we think may well lose.
That will most definitely show Hillary and the establishment.
I anticipate that she will hide in fear and apprehension over the 15% protest vote….another group of irredeemable deplorables and give great hope to the next highly principled candidate seeking their day of fame and 15% of the electorate.
There is only ONE message to send. VOTE TRUMP.
Trump is everything that the establishment hates. They do not fear Stein or Johnson…. I dare say I doubt they even acknowledge their existence.
Trump, whether he wins or loses, is the ONLY challenge to the existing corruption and leadership capture. And his supporters are not going to fade away after this election. Even if he loses, the Republican party and Hillary will feel their weight around their necks for years to come. We know and have finally acknowledged to ourselves what it truly is we face. We will not fade into the night. Hillary and the republican establishment know full well what they have precipitated. The Republican party is OVER and the democrats and their media have been fully outed. Hillary may win but she has miscalculated. She believes her economic advisors who tell her that they can control the beast they have created, but WE will not go along and they are going to have a very difficult time blaming THIS on Bush or Trump or anyone else. THEY OWN IT.
For all those more concerned about protecting their precious “principles” or simply self esteem, you will OWN this as well. There are consequences for every action and inaction and any belief that a “principled” action relieves you of responsibility is terribly mistaken.
You mentioned above that conservatives have learned to live with disappointment and it made me think of this from years ago:
“It is not the case as the naive might think that indoctrination is inconsistent with democracy, rather . . . it’s the essence of democracy. The point is that in a military state or a feudal state or what we would now call a totalitarian state, it doesn’t much matter because you’ve got a bludgeon over their heads and you can control what they do. But when the state loses the bludgeon, when you can’t control people by force, and when the voice of the people can be heard you have this problem–it may make people so curious and so arrogant that they don’t have the humility to submit to a civil rule, and therefore you have to control what people think. And the standard way to do this is to resort to what in more honest days used to be called propaganda, manufacture of consent, creation of necessary illusion. Various ways of either marginalizing the public or reducing them to apathy in some fashion.”
Dr. Noam Chomsky, from Manufacturing Consent
Let’s take two points commonly argued in the comments and follow it to its logical conclusion:
Trump IS the protest vote.
A protest vote will cause Hillary to be elected.
Therefore, it is a logical conclusion that Republicans are responsible for getting Hillary elected.
Let’s take two common arguments found in these comments and follow it to its logical conclusion:
Trump IS the protest vote.
A protest vote will cause Hillary to be elected.
Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that Republicans caused Hillary to become elected by nominating Trump.
Flawed conclusion. It is a WASTED protest vote if made for someone YOU KNOW will lose. Trump has a viable chance to win, but if he fails, it will be a MEANINGFUL protest vote because the percentage of his supporting electorate will REMAIN a threat. No one will remember Johnson’s name in four months.
Let’s me take two common themes in these comments and come to a logical conclusion:
Trump is the protest vote.
A protest vote will be responsible for Hillary getting elected.
Therefore, by nominating Trump, Republicans have elected Hillary. Any questions?
Yes, I have a question :
Where did you learn logic?
Trump. Period. No other comes close.
You’ve lost your mind Mish. You’re gonna lose that bet with me over Trump. He’s going to win. And you’re going to owe be 10 bucks.
“me” not “be”
I do not even recall the bet but I will send you $30 gladly, if you are correct. Just donate $10 to the Less Turner ALS foundation if I am right.
I was sort of joking. I commented on an article or two back I bet you 10 bucks. >80)
Ronald McDonald will love this McMuffin guy…
Ronald McDonald has gone underground due to the “creepy clown” craze that has law enforcement agencies on edge.
Still, he’s a better candidate than Hillary Clinton, with or without French fries.
The biggest protest vote is to not vote. Nothing else is even in the ballpark.
Then the establishment wins.
You don’t vote, they become more “established”.
If you buy a lottery ticket, you signify that you support the premise. In reality all tickets could be duds (as they are in politics), and by signing your name you’d be doing nothing but willingly surrender your individual rights in exchange for privileges granted to you by the will of the majority. That’s all you get in a democracy. No rights. Only temporary privileges.
I am for individual rights, so I don’t vote. I don’t believe I have the right to choose on behalf of others and I don’t believe they have the right to choose on my behalf. I believe in founders’ principle which states that rights are inherent in every human being and cannot be voted on.
Voting gives power to the establishment. Only way to destroy the game is to refuse playing it.
That is simply silly. Half the country already doesn’t vote. Does it feel like it’s getting better? Or is it your plan to simply facilitate the country’s decline in hopes something better lies around the corner?
You may not believe that you have a right to choose for others but others are going to choose for you…like it or not. Do you honestly believe you can live in a highly populated society and NOT impose on one another? We live under a constitutionally directed democratic republic that REQUIRES our participation to retain our basic rights…rights that our lack of participation is proving to diminish, nearing ZERO. Our lack of participation…informed participation, is what is destroying us. It is what empowers the demons currently driving us simultaneously towards bankruptcy and world war.
Not participating is NOT an option.
“That is simply silly. Half the country already doesn’t vote. Does it feel like it’s getting better?”
That is simply silly. Half the country already votes. Does it feel like it’s getting better?
Next.
So you are suggesting that voting is the problem? What then, pray tell, is your solution? If people are not able to express their will democratically, what option is left but force and violence? We can all understand that the system has been corrupted, but its true corruption is enabled by uninformed and apathetic citizens. If we are unable to discern the difference between truth and lies and express no interest in even knowing, then there is no hope for society, regardless of which form it takes as it will ALWAYS be ruled by tyrants.
The assertion that political corruption is enabled by uninformed and apathetic citizens is unprovable, false and a non-sequitur.
Political corruption occurs in a political environment and is perpetrated by corrupt political officials. The entire system is corrupt and there is no remedy.
If no one voted except corrupt office-seekers, at least there would be no pretense of freedom.
I understand why you believe your high-school civics fairy tales. The truth is just too dreadful to admit. Voting accomplishes nothing except providing a fig leaf of respectability for tyranny.
I will have none of it and I implore my fellow adults to kick this nastiest of habits.
Dear JuliaS,
I wish it were so.
Regards,
Diogenes of Sinope
Is it not obvious enough that whoever wins an election is by definition “the establishment?” Can I come visit your universe sometime — you know, just as an observer? I promise I won’t stay long.
A substantial, undeniable, share of the electorate writing in Tim McVeigh/Enola Gay, would send a much more powerful protest message, than if they simply sit home on the couch brushing up on their ankle grabbing skills, to be ready for the next Dear Leader…..
And while a vote like that may still be more in jest than based on an honest assessment for many; realistically, nothing will fundamentally change until people realize it is likely the only vote left with any chance of changing anything.
Everybody who does not vote is supporting the winner of the election.
In this case if you don’t vote you are supporting Hillary Clinton because she has a lead in the polls.
I hope you will feel god on the 9th of November that you helped Hillary Clinton become president by not voting.
There is no obligation — moral, legal or otherwise — to vote. Your statement that “anyone who doesn’t vote is supporting the winner” is not only false, it is absurd.
It is those who vote, and only those who vote, who sanctify this utterly corrupt, immoral system. Stop projecting your guilt on the guiltless.
By voting, you will reduce the winning percentage of the eventual winner. If enough people protest by not voting, Clinton could win over 50% of the votes instead of under 50%. The difference between the two outcomes is MANDATE vs LAME DUCK.
If they win by one vote, progressive media CLAIMS a mandate. This is NOT a democratic republic, as the electorate is misinformed….if at all. A nation or a person CANNOT effect act in its own interests if it has been deceived or deprived of relevant information. The main stream media is the controlling entity that DECIDES who and what has a mandate. This propaganda directs the elections AND how we are to interpret the results. They are also telling us WHO are our enemies… including TRUMP!
The arguments against not voting presented in this thread are some of the most illogical, emotional arguments I have ever read. Congratulations, I was relatively content to remain neutral on the subject, but now you have reinvigorated my interest and I will be spreading the gospel of nonviolent protest against this plebiscitic farce with gusto.
Did you see this? If so Trump is the pick.
Just making sure you saw this Trump speech:
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQcZMGe4p0&w=560&h=315%5D
The protest vote I have been practicing for the last several elections, I call “Throw the Bums Out.” I vote against every incumbent that I know on my ballot, regardless of party, and in the case of an open seat I vote for the party candidate opposite the last incumbent in that seat. Finally this idea is getting some traction, and I expect incumbent defeats in Congress to be the highest this year in decades.
Trump is the ultimate protest vote against the establishment. Why do refuse to listen to your loyal readers?
Mish, i’m just wondering if you’ve had media appearances cancelled or gotten the cold shoulder from the Liberal media. I know Scott Adams did. I like Johnson. But he can’t win. I voted Libertarian in two Presidential elections…what did I get…..a clear concious and Obama. Now I don’t care about a clear concious, just to roll back 8 years of bull.
Absolutely
I believe I am blackballed from various opinion pages – NYT – Financial Times – NY Times
Just has not cost me a lot of money
Bill Mitchell interviewed by Stefan Molyneux on election and who is really voting for who:
Montgomery Brewster had it right: “None of the Above!”
I must have missed the part where Scott Adams has a PhD in behavioral psychology that qualifies him to be taken seriously on this subject.
No patriot has a duty to vote for anyone who disregards the constitution of the United States or cannot be expected to honor their oath of office.
Mish,
If you’re interested in an anti-war candidate, I’m not sure Evan McMullin is a good fit. He pushed hard for war with Syria at his last job as a defense policy staffer for the House Republicans. If you google Evan McMullin Syria, you can find a few articles about his stance on the issue. I was hoping he was just a garden variety defense spending hawk, but it’s pretty clear he’s a true believer in regime change.
As a Mormon who went to BYU around the same time as Evan, I wouldn’t be surprised if most of my friends and relatives vote for him, but as for me, I’m feeling pretty good about voting for Johnson.
~Jon
You must have a lot of confidence in the polls to say something like that. I question their assumptions and, in some cases, their legitimacy. Polls have failed miserably, many as recent as Brexit. Recall that no published poll predicted the Reagan landslide before it actually happened. I believe polls become less representative with atypical elections. And this election is anything but usual.
Agreed. The pollsters as a whole are academics and political scientists. The bulk are either far libtard or dimocrats and the few that have any other than left orientation are in with the GOPe. The polls may just not get an accurate picture for many reasons. The people are angry. I deal with people from all walks of life, race and sex. There is a common theme in all of their talk. NO to the hildebeast. Some are really for Trump, others feel that they want to give an outsider a shot at it and all hate “the establishment”. Funny how the libtards started the anti-establishment movement but it may come back to bite them in the ass.
As I mentioned previously, the only poll I look at is the USC tracking poll. It can’t be rigged like the other polls. Trump appears to have hit bottom last week and his number is starting to recover (Trump +1). The damage done by sexual allegations has run its course. It is incredulous that some polls have Trump behind by 14 points when he is still competitive in most battleground states. This election is still too early to call even though Trump appears to be and is probably losing at the moment.
P.s. The built-in sample may have been in Trump’s favor so +1 may still be losing.
You contradict yourself. Is he +1, or “probably losing”? You don’t believe your own statements about that poll.
There was no contradiction. Read up the poll methodology below. Note the tracking poll performed way better than RCP polls in 2012. According to the tracking poll this morning, Clinton has gained a mere 0.9% since Sept 26 (the first debate) and Trump has lost 1.4% for a total difference of 2.3%. Considering that the last 3-4 weeks was brutal for Trump, he has held his ground. In fact, Trump has recovered a full 1% while Clinton lost .9% in the last 5 days alone. We still have tomorrow’s debate and 3 weeks before the election. Don’t count Trump out just yet.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-poll-faq-20161006-snap-story.html
By some unlikely quirk of fortune, we have been blessed with Trump, a third party candidate with a chance of winning. He understands and wants to eliminate the Zioglobalist neocon/Nazis who have taken over the US power structure. Yes, go ahead and vote for Hillary if you want to drive a stake through the heart of America. If Hillary wins, the 2020 and subsequent elections…if they are permitted… will return to the simulacrum of choice in which both candidates are equally evil and disloyal. The neocon monster will then be unstoppable. This may be our last chance to turn our ship around without another Civil War. Trump is our only realistic hope.
Mich, you and the other protest voters are just plain wrong here.
It’s a simple equation.
Take the total of each candidate’s base supporters plus protest voters.
Given that condition…
Can Gary Johnson or any other non-main party candidate win? No.
Can Trump win? Yes.
Only Trump has the chance to beat Hillary given his base supporters plus protest voters.
Ergo, a protest vote for other than Trump is a de facto vote for Hillary.
The price of voting for Trump is potentially electing Trump.
The price of not voting for trump is probably electing Hillary.
Your choice.
Mish Trump needs your vote if for no other reasons than to keep Hillary from packing SCOTUS, which if it happens means the end of the USA as we know it. We become a banana republic with greed and corruption the main thrust of government. Look at Venezuela; after the Chavista debacle, they can’t even feed their own people.
Mish consider these 6 words:
I have six scary little words for all voters who
backed losing candidates in the Republican
primaries and who are threatening to sit out
the November election because they don’t
like Donald Trump:
Supreme Court Justice
Barack Hussein Obama.
The choice in November is clear!
It will be either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton!
A no-vote is the same as a vote for Hillary
Clinton. If Hillary Clinton, arguably the most
dishonest and corrupt person ever to run for
President of the United States, wins, I have
no doubt that a President Hillary Clinton will
name President Obama to the Supreme Court
for several very good reasons: he has covered
her backside, no easy task that in itself, in the
email server scandals and now wants payback;
he claims credentials.
As a Constitutional lawyer; he is buying a mansion
in Washington D.C. and has made no secret of
his desire to stay in the capitol; and he could
complete his fundamental transformation of our
Republic, during a lifetime on the Supreme Court.
If that’s not enough to scare everyone into voting,
I don’t know what will.
Even if you dislike, The Donald, grit your teeth
and vote for him; the alternative is simply too
devastating and unimaginable … !!!!!!
If nothing else, turn out for Mike Pence.
He’s a decent guy doing his best in a tough spot.
I keep seeing that map of the NY state primary in my head. Trump winning everywhere – except his home borough of Manhattan, where the Wall Street crowd resides. I’m for whoever the bankers are against.
so supposed anti big gov’t, anti TPP and anti neocon war MIsh is throwing his support to pro TPP, big gov’t neocon war supporter Johnson…once again mish shows his liberal stripes
johnson supports everything hillary supports so IOW HE’S ESTABLISHMENT so how is that a protest vote when you vote for someone who supports the establishment? and is SO FRIGGIN STUPID he doesn;t even know where aleppo is,,,you know, the place he wants to bomb
Hi my name is mish and I will feel all sanctimonious and self righteous with my stupid “protest” vote that changes absolutely nothing but helps elect Hillary, who I said I supposedly don’t want to see in office, but will more easily get into office because of my irrelevant protest vote. Yeah, some good logic there, folks.
Don’t worry about mish, worry about these ‘people” because they vote… they probably are the ones voting 3 or 4 times.
That was in South Africa, a hopeless country. Without diamonds & gold no one would even have heard of it.
South Africa is doomed.
Anybody investing in South Africa with that kind of totally laughable non-education being spread in their universities is a fool.
South Africa will crash completely.
Trump could alter the election choices if he wanted to!
If Donald Trump and Mike Pence were to realize that winning was impossible, a far-fetched scheme might reopen the presidential election to two different candidates.
Assume that both Trump and Pence were both to make formal and (somehow) binding resolutions that should Donald Trump be elected president, that Trump would renounce the office within minutes of taking the oath, and that Mike Pence would do the same or would decline to accept the presidency. These actions would cause the next-in-line candidate, the then-current speaker of the house, to become president. The speaker of the house will be determined on the first day of the new congress in 2017. Hence the American people, by their congressional voting in November of 2016, will have effectively chosen whether the next president will be a Democrat from the new congress (presumably Nancy Pelosi) or a Republican (presumably Paul Ryan).
If the above could be pulled off, the choice facing each voter in November will be
* vote for Hillary Clinton to be president.
* vote for Donald Trump to be a ten-minute president, followed by a congressional leader from the majority party.
* protest vote for someone else.
What’s in this for Donald Trump? He come out looking a whole lot better than he does now. He can ignore allegations of personal failings. He can claim that due to the barrage of campaigns against his person, that the election will go to Hillary Clinton. She is someone who both he and a majority of the electorate believe to be unworthy of the office. He offers to give up his feint chance of serving as president in order to help the American people avoid a dishonest and disliked candidate. Plus he gets secret service protection for life.
Interesting idea
Mish,
Trump is ahead and has been for many weeks. He is steadily widening his lead in most polls.
You gotta stop watching TeeVee news
CNN – Clinton News Network
I like the idea but I think the outcome would be Hillary winning in a landslide. I can’t imagine enough people voting for an unknown president to win the election.
Fantasists ravings…
Any person who does not vote or votes for anybody but trump is helping Hillary Clinton get elected.
Hillary Clinton is a warmonger who laughed at getting Gaddafi killed and was asleep at the wheel during Benghazi when radical islamists attacked US Embassy with guns they had gotten from Gaddafi’s arms depots and help that was on the way was told to stand down.
After US ambassador and several others were killed Hillary Clinton lied to the dead peoples families and american people that it was just a spontaneous protest about a youtube video despite knowing the truth that it was planned attack by islamists angry at some arms deal that went bad.
The guns in Libya ended up in Syria through Turkey and USA and Turkey were both supporting rebels against Assad. Turkey supported ISIS by buying oil from them and USA supported by giving arms to Free Syrian Army and after getting the arms the FSA troops switched to Al-Nussra Front (Al-Qaida) or ISIS and the USA sent some more arms to new Free Syrian Army troops and again they switced to Al-Qaida or ISIS.
The end result was slaughter in both Libya and Syria.
Libya is now a failed state with three governments/strongmen/militias competing and ISIS on top of that.
Syria is a mess where sunnis have suffered a lot and christians and Yazidis and other minorities have been decimated.
If Hillary’s plan of toppling Assad would have succeeded there would have been Genocide against shiaa-alawites which are the ethnic group Assad belongs to.
USA has no business in taking part in the hundreds of years old war between sunni and shiaa in all countries they both live, this eternal war based on different interpretations of islam has only been in more peaceful state when strongmen rule.
Currently Iran, Libanon and some Iraqi shias are supporting Assad with soldiers and Russia is bombing ISIS and Al-Nussra as the airforce in Syria and looks like shiia-alawites will not be massacred after all but Assad seems to be winning.
Hillary is a hawks hawk and if she is elected the situation around the world will get worse because similar mistakes as in Libya and Syria will be repeated elsewhere.
Both Gaddafi and Assad were/are bad men and dictators but they still let 99% of their populations live in peace and most importantly were strongly against Al-Qaida and ISIS and now Libya, Iraq and Syria are all a mess.
Hillary is such a hawk that even a war with russia is not ruled out because Putin has shown that he can’t be toppled with a color revolution which has been used in several ex-soviet countries to install pro-west rulers.
Ukraine was bothched and the new rulers were basically russian hating nazis for large part and of course this created problems in a country where almost half of the people are russian speaking. The west should have woken up when the parliament in Ukraine voted to make russian language illegal and demanded that the only language in ukraine is the ukrainian language but the nazis in ukraine had been given a blank check because the west was clueless about the situation and did not care what happened.
This made the russian speaking ukrainians genuinely fearful about the rulers in Ukraine and Putin took advantage of this by getting Crimea which had previously been part of Russia but was given as a gift to Ukraine during Soviet Union (which was supposed to be forever so countries borders didn’t matter) by a drunk Communist leader Hrutshov.
After this Putin started arming other russian speaking ukrainians and Ukraine ended up in a civil war.
USA should not have installed nazis in their rush to get russian seeking robber-baron Janukovich out from Ukraine’s leadership and USA should have demanded that russian speaking ukrainians should have equal right but they failed.
Ukraine failure was also huge failure from Clinton/Kerry foreign policy idiotism.
When it comes to immigration Hillary is a disaster since USA borders will continue to be open and Hillary will legalize 11-30 million illegals and invite even more with her dream of hemispheric open borders.
Jobs will disappear with open trade to other countries where environment can be polluted at will and where workers can be kep at the factory area 7 days a week like in China and the competition for jobs inside USA will be so intense that USA middle class will be destroyed.
When you add automatization and robotization to the mix there will be 200+ million americans without jobs instead of the current 90+million.
This will crash medicare, medicaid, social security and the whole economy.
Currently rich and bankers with first access to money can buy everything and 1% of americans will become even more wealthy.
Hillary will nominate 3-4 justices on the supreme court and the criteria will probably be that each new supreme court judge has read and believes Saul Alinsky’s rules for radicals which is Hillary’s favorite book she wrote her thesis on.
Saul Alinsky dedicated the book to Lucifer who he called the first radical.
The Hillarified Supreme Court will gut the US constitution so the US will no longer be the shining beacon but instead will become more similar to current China.
Without a middle class and the crash in tax revenue that follows and the cuts in budget that follow that the US dollar will drop and US investments will have a long term slump thereby destroying enormous wealth from the savers and retirees which means no inheritances for the next generation and since there will be few good jobs that will mean a demographic catastrophe for the current americans.
Luckily Hillary has promised to increase syrian refugee immigration 550% once getting into power and that will probably be just a start and USA will slip to the same pathway that self-destructing Sweden and self-destructing Germany are on by importing millions of muslims from countries where extreme-radical-islam is the norm.
Gary Johnson is an igronamus who does NOT know anything about world affairs (What is Aleppo?) and can not name a single foreign leader.
Gary Johnsons last campaign in 2012 used much more money than he collected and the libertarian party saved his ass financially so he has no economic credibility.
Gary Johnson stated about the 2008-2009 banking crisis and the bubble before that that “Nobody committed any crimes” and now mish is voting that douchebag who crapped out the state budget also when he was a governor with out of control spending.
Gary Johnson is NOT a libertarian, he is a marijuana smoking ignoramus douchebag with ego similar to trumps but no actual achievement to back that ego up.
I’m really disappointed in you Mish.
If you keep your un-informed charade up you will destroy your reputation and with your defeatism might be spreading pessimism that guarantees Hillary the war-hawk and open borders fanatic with amnesty for everybody policies will become president.
Gary Johnson about the 2008-2009 crisis:
“Nobody committed any crimes”
This election is:
Trump vs Destruction of America.
Which will you choose?
Great post katsaus.
Dogbert for President would be my protest vote against Scott Adams sounding too much like Dilbert. I would take Dogbert over Hillary, too. But a Trump versus Dogbert debate would be one for the ages, and I would take the winner.
I skipped debate one, and did not bother with the media coverage; so I have no idea what happened there, other than a sense that Hillary was in top form and Trump had an off night. I was planning to skip debate two when the TV remote accidentally flipped on to the prelims with the Trump women. Seemed like preparation for a World Wrestling Federation match, and I was expecting the TV cameras to cut to half-naked wrestlers coming out to trash talk. So switched to a Star Trek rerun, which turned to commercials after a few minutes. Was figuring to only watch snatches of debate two during commercial breaks, but Hillary and Trump were both captivating right from the beginning. And the theatrics, Trump standing behind his chair and gripping it, you had to wonder if he was going to do something crazy like lift up the chair and bash Hillary over the head like in the wrestling matches. Then came the talk of a special prosecutor and putting Hillary in jail. Then Hillary came out saying Putin wanted Trump to win. At that point, it was like a street fight, and I was hooked. Both candidates got into the gutter and slugged it out, and only a brainless vegetable could have come away without learning something. I highly recommend watching a replay. There were some real substantive points, too.
The circus is boring. I’m heading over to the hippodrome.
Trump is the best protest vote and quit listening to the msm he’s still in it.
I live in Idaho and go to Utah quite a bit. No one knows who this McMullin guy is. I have no clue how they conduct these surveys but if Trump showed up to Salt Lake he would fill any place you put him into. McMullin on the other hand would have a hard time getting a couple hundred people, no one knows who he is.
The msm has been wrong about Trump in every way during this entire election. Why anyone is still listening to them is beyond me.
I sense a massive misinformation (e.g. rigged polls vs USC tracking poll) to suppress Trump support. Perhaps even Mish got fooled?
There can be no doubt that BOTH sides seek to suppress their opponents turnout, but the difference is using truth as apposed to media suffocation to do it. We see biased sampling done by pollsters, pollsters on the Clinton payroll, over the top media bias minimizing Hillary’s CRIMES while accentuating Trumps unsubstantiated RUMORS, and yet we are expected to believe THEIR polls. The blatancy of the corruption is breathtaking. They have no shame while DEMANDING Trump display his shame for deeds he denies doing.
If I were the DNC, I would be worrying about the USC tracking poll right now. See my comments above. The election is definitely NOT over IMO.
Check the 2nd debate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRlI2SQ0Ueg
Trump really became alive again with that debate.
Access Hollywood tape and the non-stop wall-to-wall coverage of it would have killed any other candidate but trump was great.
Open borders, free trade are irrelevant. Clinton will be the second president to order a nuclear strike. Who knows where. My guess is Syria first and then it will escalate from there. Do not doubt that the United States will drop it first. All of this Russia BS is just a prelude to war. People are too stupid to see it as they vote for Clinton. She will be ruthless when she gets power.
I really hope sanity prevails and you’re wrong. I can’t imagine the US would take the nuclear approach when they can easily beat anyone with conventional arms. The only way we can lose is via a nuclear confrontation.
Trump tape was covered 23 times more than wikileaks about clinton campaign collusion with media, open borders and open trade comments to bankers etc.:
“In viewing recordings by The Hill of each major network’s evening newscasts, which are watched by an average total of 22 million to 24 million people nightly, the newest batch of WikiLeaks revelations was covered for a combined 57 seconds out of 66 minutes of total air time on ABC, NBC and CBS.
Those leaked emails include derogatory comments about Catholics by senior Clinton campaign officials and more disturbing examples of collusion between the media and her campaign It’s newsworthy stuff) —
On the other hand, allegations from four women of unwanted sexual advances by Trump were covered a combined 23 minutes.
Add it all up, and one presidential candidate’s negative news of the day was somehow covered more than 23 times more than another candidate’s negative news of the day. ”
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/301009-is-there-actual-fire-in-the-smoke-of-trumps-media-criticism
You are a good man, Mish, but you are wrong. Trump will crush Hillary Clinton. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Clinton.
Johnson/Weld claim to be libertarians, but Weld this morning on the Glen Beck radio show admitted that he voted for Obama in 2012, and he refuses to repeal Obamacare.
They did another interview on tv (can’t remember the channel) where they both said that the country is basically on the right track.
How can Johnson/Weld claim to be libertarians? This is a ‘wasted’ vote IMO. Pun intended on Johnson’s pothead past.
If Johnson Voted for Obama then he is a clown
As are you for coping out to vote for Johnson.
If even Mish is completely un-informed about what a clown Gary Johnson is imagine how un-informed the rest of American voters are about Johnson.
It’s really simple vote for anybody but Trump or not voting is the same as voting for Hillary Clinton in this election.
Hillary Clinton has promised mass-amnesty within first 100 days so after that you can no longer change anything by voting and it means an open borders democrats as presidents for the next 100 years or open borders republicans.
Trump is the only chance to make a change.
Democracy means nothing when the government has the power to bring in new voters from foreign countries to get the vote it wants.
NBC/WSJ poll showing Clinton up 11% was made through a process where they took 43% Democrat and Democrat leaners to be polled and only took 36% Republican and Republican leaners to be polled so in the amount of people to be polled Clinton was leading by 7%.
There were only 12% independents in the polling material.
Nationally the party registration is roughly 27% (R), 32% (D), and 40% (I)
It gets even more disgusting from there because the pollster is working for Clinton SuperPAC Priorities USA while pretending to be a pollster.
So NBC and WSJ basically destroyed their reputations with a poll with majority democrats in the sample matter and hardly any independents and the pollster works for Clinton SuperPAC Priorities USA.
American media and especially NBC/WSJ have huge black eyes because the poll is straight manipulation and something that might be used in Russia to give the image that everybody supports Putin.
This poll was made to complete the media-destruction and media-withchhunt of Trump and get republicans to desert him and make Trump supporters lose hope.
Here is the analysis:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/11/media-polling-fully-exposed-about-that-nbcwsj-clinton-11-point-poll/
Sometimes Mish used to be on top of things and now he is turning to an uninformed follower.
Sad day.
OK everybody… for the last time.. NONE OF YOUR VOTES for POTUS or VP really matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)
Local and referendum is all you need to worry about. Now please go join Bernie Sanders with spending your time more wisely elsewhere.
The only rational vote would be a vote for Trump since he has the ONLY chance at keeping Hillary out of the White House.
I was taught never to give up. We still have 3 full weeks until election day. A whole lot could happen in 3 weeks. To surrender now is simply not an option for me.
Giving Gary Johnson a protest vote would be ridiculous on several levels. Mostly, Johnson is a clown who endorses illegal immigration and said no one committed crimes on Wall Street that helped caused the meltdown. No credibility. Nothing more than a GOP retread. The Libertarians need to throw him overboard. Secondly, voting for Johnson actually helps Hillary. And Hillary would be the very worst thing that could happen to America.
Never give up! Fight to the end!
Scott Adams ended his blog with:
” I’m just saying that rich men are more likely to get mixed signals about consent. I doubt Trump ever leaned in to kiss anyone unless he interpreted their actions as willingness. But I’m sure he’s been wrong more than once. Vote accordingly if that matters to you.”
I cannot believe what a big deal this Trump stuff has become. It amounts to nothing.
Progressives are much more adept at personal attacks than substantive policy issues. Destroy the message by destroying the messenger. They (using a compliant media) do it everyday.
I think that it is fine to do a protest vote as long as your vote is meaningless anyway. If you favor Trump but live in California, New York, and other states where Hillary has the election sewed up, you might as well write in “Mickey Mouse.” If your vote is going to matter; however, you need to vote for the candidate that you think will be the best or the least worse – Trump or Hillary. This election is too important to just treat your vote as if it is a joke, since if the wrong one is elected, the joke is on you. Voting for minor candidates who have no chance of winning is little different from voting for Mickey Mouse.
Technically you are correct, but what you are ignoring is that Hillary will claim her mandate based upon popular vote, not electoral. You can bet that if Trump’s vote count is low, regardless of what any independent showing might be, SHE will claim it as an outright public rejection of Trump and ALL that he stands for.
You KNOW I’m right on this.
Today I let my GOP congress person know that this election I am voting all democrat except for Trump. Trump is the only Republican who gets my vote. Why? Because if the GOP leadership is going to throw Trump under the bus I am going to throw the entire Republican Party under the bus.
Oh, and I have never voted for a Democrat. At least not in a sober state of mind that I can recall. I have voted for a few independents in my day. Mostly I have voted Republican.
But on Nov 08 I will vote ALL DEMOCRAT except for Trump. I made that commitment once Paul Ryan flapped his gum on national TV berating Trump after the locker-room talk.
I’m tossing my GOP membership card in the incinerator too
Let it burn.
There’s nothing I detest more than betrayers.
Nice thought but not all Republicans are the problem. The problem is with the club all are forced to join when elected. Denying Trump any congressional supports ensures that he remains lame duck and incapable of doing anything constitutionally. He needs Congress to back him, which will be difficult enough with back stabbing Republicans, but to pack Congress with motivated and perceived mandated Democrats is a disaster. This can’t be fixed in a single election. Republicans must be dragged back into the principled conservative camp. Vote down the obvious traitors and make the rest true believers.
The worst nightmare scenario would be Clinton and a democratic congress. That was how Obamacare was born!
If the republican is supporting Trump vote for him.
Trump with democratic congress and democratic senate is 4 years of Gridlock where Trump can only do executive actions to close the borders from illegal immigrants and terrorism sympathasizing muslims thereby not fixing the problems permanently.
Trump backstabbers can be get rid of through the democratic process through republican primaries in the 2018 and 2020 elections so arguably it is better to vote even for Trump hating republicans now in 2016 with the only exceptions being open borders Paul Ryan and amnesty fanatic Marco Rubio who should be dropped by voters to get other republicans to start respecting their voters again instead of being elitist and out of touch shysters like Ryan and Rubio.
You folks don’t seem to get it.
The Republican leaders who claim to be FOR TRUMP are not condemning the Republican leaders who CONDEMN TRUMP!
Therefore, there is no GOOD and BAD here – only BAD!!!
It’s like the cop who claims to be a good and honorable cop who refuses to condemn and snitch off the bad cop. He’s just as bad as the bad cop.
I’m tired of getting played by these phonies.
I will vote ALL DEMOCRAT on Nov 08 except for TRUMP!
The ULTIMATE PROTEST VOTE!!!!
You are demanding perfection or full destruction. Punish those who impede conservatism and reward those who advance it…..what should have been happening all a long. Rewarding liberals has NO upside. We learned that from Obama where so many were convinced that his left leaning agenda was sour the country on liberalism for decades to come…only to find ourselves fighting off the likes of Hillary and a growing population of Americans who admit they would vote for communism. We can’t afford principled stands when we are on the precipice.
No, you’re wrong.
I am demanding integrity and basic human decency from the so-called conservative party, of which I am a long-time member who has recently filed papers to change my party affiliation.
When the Republicans who support the GOP Presidential nominee refuse to stand up and condemn the Republicans who are traitors by condemning Trump (and thus endorsing Hillary, directly or indirectly) the so-called “good” ones are the same as the “bad” ones.
You can’t find one Democrat in congress who condemns Hillary, despite all the egregious acts that she has engaged in.
Yet there are numerous Republicans who trash talk Trump.
So we will agree to disagree.
I say throw them all under the bus until they start representing the values of the ones who elected them to office.
In Greece lots of intellectuals voted for Potami, depriving exactly the amount of votes that New Democracy needed. So they got a Syriza government, which (really, not a joke) started decorating halls and offices of the parliament with Soviet leader posters and Che Guevara. Up to that point, most thought that they were not communists anymore. The first thing they did, was to close down almost all national TV channels and re-issue only 4 licenses.
Objectively speaking, the “protest” vote is still the Trump vote, considering that the entire establishment (left and right) is against him. Johnson is the vote “I’m tired of the noise and disappointed”. It’s the participant’s way of throwing the towel and expect that Hillary will be “reasonably normal”. She won’t. And that’s what she hopes for – that the centrists will not vote or vote for something irrelevant.
She’s not advocating a reasonable centrist government, and most would hope.
Mish, you did get us all going, including me.
First, I do think that Trump is the ultimate anti establishment vote. Every Lobbyist, long term politician and government worker (aka The Establishment) fears his coming. Why would you be against such change?
Second: from a personal point. My wife and her brother inherited a house from their father. There was a discussion about whether to sell it or to rent it for a period of time and then sell. My advise was to wait until November 9th. If Trump wins, taxes on income will decrease and taxes on Capital Gains (when you sell an investment property) would be lower. If Hillary wins, taxes on income of any kind are going to increase, especially Capital Gains. Simply put, if Trumps wins, rent and sell at your leisure. If Hillary wins, sell immediately and find a place to hide.
Finally, Mish, why would you do anything that would put Hillary in a position to appoint the next two to four Supreme Court Justices of the US? Please tell me you will not do that.
Mish u seem to know a whole lot about liars. Believe me all u understand about liars as much as u do, is very superficial until u try to understand the father of liars. I recommend the “Screwtape Letters” by CS Lewis.
As I see the campaign from a foreign eye, the debate is not about the person you elect after al, it should be about the measures and change of life they will support. Since little change of policies hapened under Obama outside the health care system, there is need to bust the current politicians.
Hence only a trump vote can make that.
I have the same issue in my country: we need “revolution”
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/trump-v-hillary-white-house/
Pretty interesting take here. But war certainly seems to be in the air…
After the O’Keefe tapes and WikiLeaks it is clear that a vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote to maintain a now proven corrupt government. By trying to be clever and showing everyone how much smarter you are by voting for obscure people, you are in effect, supporting the political corruption and Hillary Clinton. Saul Alinsky was a genius. No wonder Hillary was a fan.
I AGREE, MISH. TRUMP COULD HAVE WON. THE COUNTRY NEEDED HIM TO WIN. BUT THE BIGGEST #NEVERTRUMP WAS TRUMP..
let’s back the truck up. any of you know for certain they count the votes? this whole debate/conversation assumes votes are counted correctly. and quickly.
I believe this is rig, with the main takeaway everyone feels heard whether “they win” or not because their candidate at least got to run.
protest vote aren’t much more than protesting here on a blog. seems like a lot of wishful thinking that you matter with your one vote. what foolishness to believe that.
Gary Johnson is 100% like Hillary Clinton when it comes to amnesty and even supports politically correct language and flips out at a reporter:
Cringeworthy
It’s over. Hillary has won. I agree Trump could have won, but he was too dumb to figure out how. This is going to be a repeat of 2008 when the dems declared they received a mandate from the masses and will shove their agenda down our throats. I expect Hillary to have some retribution against her foes. Expect IRS audits for many who backed Trump.
The more people waste their vote on Gary Johnsons etc. in California and Illinois or don’t vote at all in democrat leaning states the bigger is Hillarys mandate if she and her bankers win the election.
Gary Johnson:
“Hillary Clinton is a wonderful public servant”
His VP Weld is a war-monger and friend of Hillary Clinton.
Voting for Johnson is voting for Hillary Clinton.
Vote for Trump everywhere you can.
Possibly.
But still 3 weeks till election.
A lot could happen to change dynamic.
FWIW, if I held a true bombshell …. I would release it 2 to 3 weeks before election.
Carbon taxes are libertarian according to Johnson and in almost every-issue he is anti-libertarian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW5gQo43ay4
He even supports TPP that even Hillary had to start opposing
Johnson is a clown:
I have already voted for Johnson absentee. I disagree with Mish in that I do not think Trump is remotely qualified to be president – he simply does not have the temperament and is woefully ignorant of the issues.
I hope you enjoy Hillary Clinton presidency if she wins and remember to look yourself in the mirror for 4 years saying to yourself “I helped Hillary Clinton get elected by voting an ignorant douchebag Johnson who doesn’t know any world leaders, thinks “nobody committed any crimes” during 2007-2009 bubble and crash, wants amnesty just like Hillary, and is a word police as shown by his spazz out about the word illegal immigrant.
Like I was saying before….without informed citizens, NO system is viable.
I would submit that it would be difficult for ANYONE to achieve what Trump has done while being “woefully ignorant of the issues”. Even as a small business person myself, I think I am anything but woefully ignorant, but obviously still not on par with the current crop of geniuses running things. They are doing a “smash up job”!
dennisNOTaok
“I disagree with Mish in that I do not think Trump is remotely qualified to be president – he simply does not have the temperament and is woefully ignorant of the issues.”
Trump is qualified. A number of generals support him. 100 business leaders just came out in support of him.
Trump has the PERFECT temperament for what needs to be done.
You want to talk about temperament? Watch this and then tell me you are satisfied you did NOT vote against her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NfFAaPZqs8
You can “almost” excuse Bill for chasing all the bimbos when you see the real Hellary.
Johnson is the most ignorant politician running.
“What is Aleppo?” with a smug smile and some people vote for him.
Unbelievable.
Trivial issue actually.
What difference does it make if an isolationist does not know where some city in Syria is.
I bet half the politicians in DC know a damn thing about things far more important: the dollar and trade
Saying Johnson is the most ignorant politician based on Aleppo is in itself a hugely ignorant statement.
What isn’t trivial is that Hillary and the elites who support her, want a major war with Russia. How many will die, if that happens?
I agree about the Aleppo incident, BUT, I do believe he is WILLFULLY IGNORANT because he lives by some theory where facts matter less than ideals….just as the progressives would have us do. Look at some of the attached videos here and then read some of his positions. I wouldn’t let him run my small little pissant business, much less the world.
I will not support anyone who thinks TIPP and NAFTA and GATT are free trade and that their continuance is a good thing.
I will not support anyone who believes that open borders and unlimited immigration are good for Americans.
AND I WILL NOT support anyone who denigrates me for calling an immigrant who is residing in MY country an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, or a jihadi a radical Islamist.
He is but another idiot willing to burn this country to the ground in pursuit of some idealized notion of what we SHOULD be, without regard to what Americans themselves want to be.
More self sacrifice for the good of….whom? Tell us to stop reproducing to save the planet, and then tell us we MUST import third world people, many who want us dead and gone, to save our economy.
ARE WE REALLY THAT STUPID????
evidently they believe so
Gary Johnson:
“Nobody committed any crimes”
-his statement about the financial crisis of 2008-2009 and the preceding bubble in 2012.
Johnson is a total ignoramus in economics also and this should mean something to an economics blogger but I guess you either were not aware of Johnsons stupidity (which means you watch msm too much instead of seeking facts yourself) OR you think “Nobody committed any crimes”.
Which is it?
Johnson has no credibility and his smugness is even worse than Hillary’s smugness.
On top of that Johnson is for open borders and unlimited immigration and he is totally clueless to the fact that illegal immigrants are driving down wages and thereby pushing legal immigrants to worse paying jobs with the increased competition and pushing blacks, hispanics and low education whites out of the job market.
“They’re not taking jobs that U.S. citizens want.”
-Gary Johnson.
The US citizens would want many jobs currently done by illegal immigrants if the pay was better as it would be if the massive lowering effect on wages that 11-30 million illegals have in the US would be stopped in those jobs you need little or no-education in.
Johnson is an elitist douchebag who is only interested in pot and his own ego.
Mish,
Please do your research on Evan McMullin – if any is needed knowing he is an “ex CIA operative.” If you believe the “ex” part.
He certainly doesn’t meet your points 1, 3 and 5. In fact, he was instrumental in organizing and arming the so-called Syrian rebels.
Heed Scott Adams advice before you knock the source – which gets its info from a CNN report.
The Emerging Connections Between The Muslim Brotherhood and “Never Trump”…
During a trip to Turkey in 2014 to discuss arming Syrian rebel groups, under the auspices of fighting ISIS, you see Representative Adam Kinzinger appear. Oh yeah, and who’s that other fellow circled in the meeting? ….why that’s our anti-Trump candidate Evan McMullin.
Long before anyone heard about Evan McMullin running for President, there he is paling around with #NeverTrump Adam Kinzinger in Turkey chatting with the Muslim Brotherhood affiliates (guise SETF) who are essentially the political arm of ISIS under a differing name.
The declared purpose of the meeting was to discuss who and how to arm the entities within Syria. However, just like in 2012/2013 these same Brotherhood voices in 2014 are simply trying to present themselves as one thing, only to gain the goal of another. That’s ultimately the story behind the arms deals within The Benghazi Brief. That’s the lesson that should have been learned if the truth contained within the brief were ever to have larger public interest.
Voting for Trump to protest reminds me of the Buddhist monk who self-immolated in protest bad governance in Viet Nam. Suicide, literal or the political analog, is not the answer to bad governance, even where, as in Viet Nam, the governance was immeasurably worse than it’s been here.
Perfect analogy to those voting for Hillary Clinton or somebody else other than Trump (which leads to Clinton presidency) or not voting (which leads to Clinton presidency.)
Only the self-immolation will happen because Trump bragged in a braggadocious way like some New York guys do.
I hope you feel happy with hemispheric open borders and job crushing open trade and are happy about the mass-amnesty Clinton has promised during her first 100 days.
Voting for Hillary Clinton or causing Hillary Clinton to become president is like self-immolating.
Trump supporters: do not despair, the latest polls are very close, get out there and vote against The Witch of Washington! Details:
Mish, I fully understand why you might want to vote for Johnson. It would be a conscience relief to do so.
However, think about this… Trump probably has a 4 or 5 chance in 10 of winning. What chance does Johnson have, maybe 1 in 10,000. If all the folks, who might now say they’ll vote for Johnson, instead of Trump were in fact to vote for Trump, Trump would win.
Now, frankly, I think they’re all crooks to one extent or another but, I think Trump at least believes in what he’s saying and doing. There’s not another candidate out there, besides Trump, who would lower taxes. If there were no other reason to vote for Trump, that would be the best reason I could ever think of.
Mish, while I agree with most of your seven items above. 7. A social liberal who believes in freedom of choice is incompatible with 2. A fiscal conservative & 3. A firm believer in small government. To make them compatible replace the above with 7. Personal choice = Personal responsibility.
Chnage #6 to: Their sin belongs in the bedrooms of the nation, not in the gov’t, not in the streets, not in the schools, not in the law.
#6 You social liberals put the bedroom in the streets, in the gov’t, in the law, in the schools. You made a mistake with that idea. You inadvertently got it backwards by thinking you were keeping gov’t out.
Mish, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary. Shame on you. Kathryn Bondoux
A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson. Trump has almost no chance. Even if you disagree, Trump and Johnson have the same chance in Illinois – Zero. Trump really torqued me off not preparing at all for the first debate. That said, I may change my mind.