I watched the third and final debate tonight. Far and away this was Trump’s best debate performance. I thought he held his own.
The moderator was excellent, and both sides received some difficult questions. It was the only well-moderated, fair debate.
I watched the debate on C-Span, but switched to MSNBC for commentary. They held a funeral for trump.
Opportunities Wasted
Trump could have done better. He missed at least two good opportunities.
There was an excellent report out today by the Tax Foundation that hugely favored Trump. See Tax Foundation Analyzes Tax Plans: 10-Year GDP (Trump +6.9%, Hillary -2.6%), Wage Growth (Trump +5.4%, Hillary -2.1%).
When asked about taxes, Trump could have and should have referred to some of those stats.
When Hillary fired shots about Trump’s use of Chinese steel and other allegations, Trump failed to fire back about Hillary bragging about getting a rape victim off.
The fairest representative version of the story comes from Truth or Fiction: Hillary Clinton Freed a Rapist, Laughed About It.
The story is essentially true, albeit slightly hyped up.
Personally, I could never defend a rapist I knew was guilty, nor prosecute an accused person I thought was innocent. And I could never be a corporate lawyer, having to defend a corporation against lawsuits I believed accurate. But that’s just me.
Regardless, Trump had a chance to taint Hillary’s proclamation that she is a strong women’s right advocate. Trump failed to do so.
Funeral for Trump
With a similar performance in the first debate, Trump may have won easily. Yet, despite the missed opportunities, Trump performed at least OK.
But you would never know this from the MSNBC obituary.
The only focus of the aftermath discussion was Trump’s answer to the question as to whether or not he would accept the results of the election.
Trump said “I will look at it at the time”.
In a way, Trump made a rationale response. This could come down to one state, as happened with chads in Florida.
Trump could have and should have explained it that way. Instead he created controversy that MSNBC pounced on for the next hour following the debate.
Republicans Pounce
Not only did MSNBC pounce, High Profile Republicans Pounced as well.
Lindsey Graham, Republican senator from South Carolina, issued a statement after the debate saying that he has confidence in democracy and that if Trump loses, it will be because he is a failed candidate.
Jeff Flake, Republican senator from Arizona, said trump’s statement is “beyond the pale.”
Knowing the Unknowable
I do not know if the debate helped or hurt Trump. In fact, no one “knows” much of anything except mathematical facts such as 1+1=2. But the odds are this debate did not possibly help Trump enough to matter.
One person called me a “coward” for making such statements. In my view, a coward is someone who fails to speak what they believe, fearing what others might think or say.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
I’m no Trump fan (hey, I’m a libertarian), but I have to say that Flake’s quote is ridiculous. Trump never said he would not accept the election results. He simply said he’d want to look at it at that time.
Further, it is nothing new to have election fraud. It was eventually proven in the case of Loretta Sanchez and that’s only one case.
Dead people can vote, but only for corrupt Democrats. Oh, sorry, that’s redundant.
Finally, expecting anything but insanely biased coverage from MSNBS is akin to expecing Hillary to tell the truth – it is never going to happen.
I thought the same thing in regards to Flake’s comment. Trump’s response is clearly the aftermath of the Project Veritas videos. To pretend now that our democracy will somehow be tarnished is utterly ridiculous.
Election fraud is not just dead people voting or double+ voting.
Under U.S. code, Hillary is disqualified from holding public office. The Justice department and FBI have been politicized. The democratic party nomination was stolen from Bernie Sanders.
Wikiileaks documents have shown collusion between the government, the democratic party and the news media.
The media should not have been moderating the debates. CNN did not treat the Republican and democrat debates in the same even handed manner. That too, is rigging the election. As trump complained in the second presidential debate, it was 3 on 1 in a 1 on 1 debate.
The republican party spent zero on campaign advertising for their Presidential candidate.
What else am i missing to present, in terms of rigging the election? What else am i missing to present in terms of this being a fraudulent election?
The politicization of the FBI & Justice Dept. are perfectly obvious to anyone willing to see. It was a clear violation of 18 U.S. Code § 793 (f). It is a felony and disqualifies anyone found guilty, of working for the government or holding government office. That is why they would not even bring the matter to a Grand Jury, a Grand Jury might think Hillary is not above the law.
“The republican party spent zero on campaign advertising for their Presidential candidate.”
Seems like a one party state then, like China (?)
BTW, what´s up with CNN, cutting off representatives of the people when they mention the word wikileaks? Democracy and freedom of speech or not?
“Selected, not elected” – Anyone remember this quote?
Anyone remember Gore and the 2000 election?
How about Kerry?
They all talked about it afterwards, but only Trump is talking about it beforehand. This is a far greater wrecking ball than most think, as it exposes the greatest threat to the establishment; the fact that belief in the system is fading.
If Trump is not elected he’s still done more to hurt the establishment, the elite, and big government than any other supposed Republican/conservative politician has done in the last 50 years.
Trump 2016
I guess those GOPs didn’t get the memo about the dozens of boxes in a warehouse in Columbus Ohio 2 weeks ago that had 1000s of voter ballots in them already filled out for Crooked Hillary
Not to mention the 4 million dead voters still voting from the grave
And one of my favorites is busing the voters from town to town so they can vote more than once
Actually there’s s movie out about it from some guy named O’Keefe 😉
The latest believable polls before the debate had them about tied. We’ll see what the polls say tomorrow. I happened to watch it on an ABC channel just because it was there when I turned the TV on. Same thing, all the MSM pundits were trashing Trump before & after the debate. Otherwise, the moderator of the debate seemed pretty unbiased (for a change).
Excellent moderator without a doubt
” Trump failed to fire back about Hillary bragging about getting a rape victim off.”
Hillary got the Rapist off, not the victim.
Wallace did a great job.
I watched the first half of the debate then had to go somewhere. But I thought Trump missed a lot of openings and wasn’t well prepared.
I sensed a lack of passion on his part.
I wonder how much he really wants the job?
I wonder whether he was just playing a role?
Now we’re totally screwed short of Hillary having a massive coronary before Nov 08.
The media rigged the game from the start. And then Trump applied the brakes when he should have pressed hard on the accelerator.
Makes me wonder whether the whole thing was staged?
God help America.
Damn glad I’m as old as I am.
Puh-leeeze. Just look at expressed and exhibited competency in public speaking appearences. Trump cannot hold a candle to Clinton. He comes across as at least 30 IQ points deficient. I’d put Trump at maybe a 95 IQ (100 is about average), which is why he probably relates best to low educated blue-collar voters. Clinton has maybe a 125+ IQ. No comparison between the two!
Trump is not a slick and smarmy politician, and that’s a good thing. He can’t lie like Hellary.
You don’t know anything about their IQs, that’s just your prejudice.
Ha! No, Trump is just “slick and smarmy”. We can forget about the “politician” part.
How many workers has he stiffed in his career? I hear the number is in the thousands! How many lawsuits has he been involved in? Something like 3500+, no? How many foreign workers has he imported for his projects? How many bankruptcies has he filed for? At least four, right?
This is the kind of person you admire and put forth as a valid candidate for president of the most powerful country in the world??? Sheeze. You are a most confused person.
The only “workers” Hillary has employed in her lifetime are people like the “hitman” featured in the National Enquirer who was paid to cover up the Clinton dirt. But some of the dirt got past him into the public arena.
I always sensed that Hillary was doing Vince Foster. Naturally that had to be covered up too. And that was unfortunate for Vince.
And I always speculated Hillary went both ways. According to the story, I was right.
But naturally none of that reaches the level of locker-room talk and unsubstantiated gropes by women who kept it all inside until 3 weeks before the election. ha.
Hillary is nothing but a rich hillbilly. And her husband is a sexual predator bottom-feeder who should have been placed on androgen deprivation therapy 2 decades ago for the safety of all women who crossed his destructive path.
What’s really the important thing here is that George Soros doesn’t get in. That’s the death knell.
“How many workers has he stiffed in his career? I hear the number is in the thousands! How many lawsuits has he been involved in? Something like 3500+, no? How many foreign workers has he imported for his projects? How many bankruptcies has he filed for? At least four, right?”
—–>Sounds like you took all the biased medias hit pieces on Trumps business record as pure gospel and drank the kool aid. Ummm….there is a reason for business BK’s in free market so entrepreneurs can takes risks. Duh. Do you have any clue how many great entrepreneurs declared BK? It is a tool our legal system gives us. If people don’t do the job, would you pay them? Happens a lot in construction, I’m sure you wouldn’t know though.
Fact is HRC never created even ONE job in her life! Not one. Never had to take a business risk. Never had any employees to pay. Just another career politician where all her wealth came from speeches from her husbands success.
Every American voting for corrupt Clinton (or should I say: voting for the establishment & Wall Street?) has an IQ clearly below 100. Obama had 8 years of ZIRP and spent more than all other U.S. presidents together. Still, he delivered the worst economic growth figures since the Great Depression. That should ring a huge bell, but apparently U.S. citizens are easily manipulated and fooled.
Within the next few years the economy will slide further (thanks to Obamacare and higher taxes), Clinton will divert attention by reinstating the Cold War and only then the people who voted for crooked Clinton will finally wake up.
Trump supporters and the anti-intellectual movement in general all suffer from the Dunning–Kruger effect.
Even in a time of elephantine vanity and greed, one never has to look far to see the campfires of gentle people.
Seriously, why do you think people with college educations overwhelmingly back Clinton? Is there a secret conspiracy where stupid people go to college, and high IQ’s just go straight into driving for FedEx?
Clinton got most of her lopsided support from certain groups. Don’t tell me that they are college educated. Without their support, there is no Democratic party. Enough said.
You didn’t catch the sarcasm, did you? The simple people voting for Clinton, whom is the ESTABLISHMENT candidate, show they have an (economic) IQ of far below 100. But just wait and see until the tax increases come in and how that will hurt your economy….
Funny. I have two Master’s Degrees from an accredited graduate school, and I back Trump. Wny? Because he’s a better debater? He most certainly is not. However, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama are the architects of more unrest in the world than you can shake a stick at. How is that for “intelligence?”
Not True, i know extremely smart people of 140+ IQ supporting Hillary, because they are not digging or just being busy with their work. A superficial glance over media coverage and debates makes them think “Trump is an embarrassment of this country”
Not everyone is digging
I have a brother-in-law with an IQ of at least 160. He is pretty good at playing Jeopardy and he is a lock-step democrat. I can also tell you he has no common sense at all, and I don’t mean just politics.
I am amazed at the left. Whoever they run against (and their supporters) are dunces. It is a consistent drum-beat of pointing to morons. If it makes you feel better, go ahead. It is intellectual laziness to just brush aside the legitimate questions raised about Hillary Clinton’s past, present and future. Newsflash Joe, you are NOT smart enough to look down on all those with contradictory opinions. As a matter of fact it is either inattentive or stupidity.
Joe, your post is one indicative of a person with an IQ of 85-7. See how that works? No? I didn’t think so.
[ROFLOL]. Mine is actually 130.
I raise: 140. so there.
“I sensed a lack of passion on his part.
I wonder how much he really wants the job?”
You are obviously kidding.
I participated in a blow by blow forum thread on Slate. The consensus was OVERWHELMING that Trump lost “BIGLY”.
What do you expect from Slate?
It’s a wonderful site!
Did you like Paul Krugman’s contributions?
I generally agree with Krugman.
“I generally agree with Krugman.” Am I on a comedy blog?
“Slate is a wonderful site!”
It is for brain dead leftists looking for confirmation bias and paid trolls like Joe…
Fortunately smart people know to look elsewhere when they want facts…
Where do I apply to be a paid troll? If there are any paid trolls on this thread, please hook me up.
Lord Soros will contact you via telepathy if he judges you worthy of being in his employ.
29 internet polls you can vote on here:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/19/your-turn-who-won-the-third-presidential-debate-polls-polls-polls/
Results are all over the place, seems to depend on the website.
“Results all over the place”
As it should be expected given the growing polarization of America.
Just the fact that his fellow Republicans come out saying he isn’t the man for the job would do it for me and I would go vote for him. I hate people telling me who to vote. I like to hear the candidates take on what and how they’d like to act when in power.
I am in favor of neither but really against Hillary. I would rather go for Liberal Democracy where each and everyone would have great freedom to work for their own income and trade. Now we have big corporations setting rules that are hard for any small or medium sized business. I am no Libertarian either. The state has certain functions that it does better and cheaper than private sector.
I don’t know how the things go that side of the Atlantic but I would never tell anyone about how I will vote. Perhaps it’s different there? BTW, my grandmother was born in Philadelphia and hold two passports.
“The state has certain functions that it does better and cheaper than private sector.”
and those would be???
Why, war of course.
Natural monopolies like army, police force, railroads, infrastructure in general…
Scandinavian model in schooling and healthcare has produced very good results that are now threatened by the influx of so called ‘refugees’ which mostly are social shoppers abusing the system.
I don’t have anything against private sector adding variety but the simple fact is that when it is business it will be 20% or 30% margin added for profits for some of the same things that can be taken care of through public system.
And who wants privatized army or police force? I don’t…
I advocate Liberalism regarding the rights to function as an individual. I am not liberal regarding social benefits to everyone. Democracy needs a lot of freedom to function properly. We are going towards corporate communism where each and everyone is the slave to their demands and I am not for it.
Corporate communism is an oxymoron and no one is forced to do business with a corporation, unless the government forces it (like buying health insurance). Armies and police are natural government entities but no one is going to claim they are efficient operated; quite the opposite. “The simple fact is” that a 20 to 30% business profit margin is just a dream that businessmen aspire to. A few may get it, many don’t, and many make no profit at all and fail.
Democracy? Ah yes; 2 coyotes and a rabbit voting on what to have for lunch.
I am a conservative and have voted Republican for most of my life.
Since the Republican leadership has essentially thrown Trump under the bus I have decided to throw the Republican Party under the bus on Nov 08.
I will vote for every “D” on my election ballot except for Trump who will be the ONLY “R” to get my vote.
If we’re going to go down I want to go down hard and fast.
There’s only one thing in life that I hate more than a traitor. And that’s a group of traitors.
Wasn’t it a thrill to hear that Lindesy Graham is a “high profile” Republican?
lindsley was one of the lesser lights in a large field of R duds who couldn’t lay a hand on Trump and are now trying to undercut him, all sour grapes, losers
lindsley could only get elected in a place like SC by pimping for the moar war machine
A bunch of Benedict Arnolds
That sounds like an excellent idea! Give Hillary both chambers of Congress — what could possibly go wrong?
Last time there was a Democrat President and Congress, we got Obamacare, but I’m sure the Dems wouldn’t attempt anything like that again.
Obamacare, rammed through congress on Christmas eve with no votes to spare. Many of those who voted for it did so because they were tricked into believing lies about it.
Federal Reserve Act: rammed through congress on Christmas eve, with no votes to spare. Many of those who voted for it did so because they were tricked into believing lies about it.
Perhaps they could have read it? Isn’t that their job?
They are given a few hours to read thousands of pages. Which reminds me of another Big Obama Lie: “All legislation will be made available for the public to read well in advance of voting on it”. Can you believe what a lier he is? Even the congresscritters don’t get to read it.
“I will vote for every ‘D’ on my election ballot except for Trump who will be the ONLY ‘R’ to get my vote.”
Yeah! That’ll show ’em! Even those Reps who may have supported Trump’s ideas.
Destroy the party because that will allow the rise of a TRULY Classical Republican party next time rather than the typical group of bought and paid for RINO NEOCONs.
Oh, wait. Our systemically compromised, corrupt, big money dependent election process won’t provide money to candidates who TRULY want to fix things like, for instance, the Libertarian Party whose prez candidates have received how much money and how many electoral votes (1) since the party began in 1974. So, how successful will that “new party” be.
When no one you like is on a ballot, you don’t vote for the other side of the bought and paid for coin, you simply don’t vote. On LP ballots, it’s the None of the Above (NOTA) choice that should be on ALL of our ballots nationwide, but isn’t for obvious reasons.
You NEVER see the Dems vote against one another or trash talk their presidential nominee. They all stick together like friggin’ glue. It’s only the Republicans who engage in that behaviors. I’m tired of it. If they want to screw their constituents I’ll screw them.
I voted to help create a REPUBLICAN SUPER MAJORITY in the House. I voted to help create a REPUBLICAN MAJORITY in the Senate. And what did that get me??? More Obamacare, more illegals pouring over the friggin’ border, higher debt ceilings, bigger budgets, more deficit spending, more offshoring of jobs, 10’s of thousands of unvetted Syrians and potential terrorists invited into our cities.
IF THEY AREN’T FOR US THEY’RE AGAINST US!!!
I would rather vote for the enemy that for a traitor who sides with the enemy while trying to make me believe he’s my friend!!!
I WILL VOTE ALL “D” (EXCEPT FOR TRUMP) ON NOV 08. I AM TIRED OF BEING HOODWINKED AND PLAYED LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE BY THE GOP!!!
THEY WANT TO THROW TRUMP UNDER THE BUS??? I’LL THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS!
Funny that you consider unity and group-think as a strength of the Democratic party, and dissent as a weakness in the Republican party. Election results would probably confirm that belief. In my view, the Democratic party is run like an oligarchy and the Republican party supports individuality more. I think that’s a strength of the Republican party instead of a weakness. (I know I’m going to get flamed for those idealistic comments.)
If I accurately summarized your belief, then were going to have to agree to disagree on that topic. I find it a bit ironic that you admire Democrats blind loyalty, but don’t feel like you should show any yourself. I understand your frustration, but handing Hillery the congress without any congressional checks and balances would be a disaster.
Trump’s not the right guy. Republicans overreacted and made a poor pick. Any other candidate would have easily beaten Hillery this year. My first pick was Scott Walker, but he didn’t even make it to the first primary. Hopefully Republicans will make a better pick in 4 years (assuming Trump doesn’t pull off a miracle).
BTW, all the things you list and are frustrated about will get a lot worse under a Democratic congress, so I don’t quite understand the logic of voting all Dems.
Perhaps you think things have to get a lot worse before they get better?
“If they want to screw their constituents I’ll screw them.”
That’s just it. You aren’t screwing them as much as you’re screwing yourself by voting for Dems instead of simply not voting.
Both parties are bought and paid for, two sides of the same coin. The only difference is a slight one in the list of those who own them. At the voter level, the Dems cater more to leeches. Since transfer payments are the largest part of the federal budget, if you aren’t one of them, you’ll be paying for them.
If you people go back and study what happened when the Democrats controlled congress you would find that it was no different than when the Republicans controlled congress.
IT’S A ONE-PARTY GOVERNMENT!
You’re stuck in fantasy that the Republicans are our saviors. No they aren’t! Most of them are TRAITORS who are beholden to the ones who fill their pockets.
The GOP bends over backwards for the Democrats – EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE THE POWER!
Paul Ryan is Obama’s little shoe shine boy!
Take off your blinders and wake up to reality.
SIX OF ONE OR HALF DOZEN OF THE OTHER.
Better to REVOLT against the GOP rather than vote for TRAITORS who claim to be your friends!
Well said, old timer! Not sure i agree entirely, but well said. Trump is a protest vote, and very true, R’s have screwed us very well. Crossdressers ALL!
LF if you really think it’s a one party government and Trump is the only outsider (and I do not disagree with that), then your votes for democrats are, by your own reasoning, still a vote for the Big One Party, which you say you are against. If I were you I would just vote for Trump and all the third party candidates. Even the socialists. No harm there, they have no chance (now that Bernie has been officially marginalized).
Well, of course I thought there were lots of opportunities for Trump to give facts in return to Hillary’s statements and I was somewhat disappointed. That’s just me, I love the idea of facts nailing someone.
But I think back to the 2000 campaign where Gore was always ready with the facts against Mr. Not-So-Bright. After the campaign a study was done about why Bush did so well….the result: Average working folks hate people spouting facts because in their workplaces these are the “experts” that make their working lives miserable. Saturday Night Live (before the study and during the campaign) even had a sketch about it where good ole boy Bill Clinton sits down with Gore in a bar to discuss the campaign and Bill just shakes his head as Gore is incapable of giving anything but an answer full of statistics.
You’ve no doubt noticed that Trump, the billionaire money man, definitely avoids a lot of numbers and statistics. He does give them, though. Hillary, on the other hand, learned from her husband…there is hardly a single number in any of her answers–mostly answers full of emotional personal vignettes of others or Hillary’s own outrage at Trump’s answers along with very very general promises about the future.
I think it’s really hard to step back and see the debate from an “average” point-of-view.
I don’t know how others perceive it, but Trump gives a lot more direct, firm positions for answers and Hillary comes across as having many prevaricating responses. Do the vague promises and answers of Clinton help her?
If I hear that crap about the poor bleeding 4 year old in Aleppo one more time I’ll throw up.
Hopefully I’ll throw up on the person that keeps bringing that up. Is that how you get votes?
How many Pakistani school children has Obama murdered with his drones?
When Obama hit Gaadafi’s Tripoli compound with SCUDS he took out Gaadafi’s innocent grand kids.
Of course the mainstream media said nothing about that. Whitewashed.
When we kill children it’s a mistake. When Russia kills a child it’s murder.
Is it possible to restore honor in America?
Clinton’s vague answers? You cannot be serious!
How about Trump’s stream of consciousness replies that are primarily disparate thoughts garbled together and regurgitated like a mixture of puke. His replies are senseless to any thinking person.
People went for the GWB “Who would you like to have a beer with” persona and look what and where that got us. But Trump isn’t even someone I would like to have a beer with. Personally, I’d spit in his face if I encounter him. He is a despicable person.
So you prefer voting for someone who commited crimes (deleting emails), took part in election fraud to get rid of Sanders, has taken money from Wall Street & big pharma, is bashing females that were sexually abused by Bill, commits fraud through the Clinton Foundation and whom is delivering lie after lie?
So be it, you will get what you deserve: another war, a worse economy, more taxes, even more taxes and a free hand to Wall Street to do whatever they want. Congratulations 🙂
The only reason Clinton is the obvious choice is because the Republicans managed to nominate someone absolutely incompatible with the job. And now you want us to take your complaints about Clinton seriously? If those issues with Clinton are so serious, why did you put up a novelty/joke candidate?
Trump is obviously far more qualified than Clinton. He actually knows how to run a business and how the economy works. But perhaps you didn’t read the figures about how Clinton’s policy is going to hurt the economy and job creation? And how much better Trump’s plans would be?
Seriously, a monkey would do better than Clinton, whom has nothing else to offer than “give ME the money” and whom is an economic illiterate. So brace yourself for huge tax increases and the U.S. economy sliding towards recession with Clinton’s braindead plans:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/buckle-up-for-the-biggest-tax-increase-in-american-history/
More nonsense from Troll Joe. When asked the question about how to use the Constitution (as intended by the authors or interpret as you like) Hillary never answered the question, because that would alienate all the people who know if it isn’t used as the authors intended, then it is meaningless. Donald immediately and specifically replied “as the Founding Fathers wrote it and intended it”.
Clinton mentioned something about 17 government agencies concluding Russia is behind everything, Do we even have 17 agencies that look into things like this?
“…prosecute an accused person I thought was innocent.”
Prosecutors are ethically obliged not to prosecute if they believe a defendant is innocent. This was told to me by a prosecutor.
This is exactly opposite to defense attorneys who are ethically obliged to defend a client no matter how guilty he is.
However, defense attorneys are not permitted to lie. If a defense attorney knows his client is guilty, he can only tell the jury that the prosecution has not proved its case.
This is my understanding. Any lawyers may weigh in if I’m FOS.
I didn’t watch the debate but I read about Trump possibly not accepting the results and Clinton’s response that Trump “is talking down our democracy, and I for one am appalled”
What is even more appalling is that the Clinton Foundation took money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who, according to Hillary’s 2014 emails, were funding ISIS at the same time that ISIS was sweeping across Syria and decapitating Christians and other non-Sunnis. What did the Saudis and Qataris get for the their dough? Certainly Hillary’s silence and likely some pro-Saudi, pro-Qatar State Department employees while Hillary was Sec of State.
Yes, the Saudis – whose religious police beat schoolgirls fleeing from a burning building because they forgot to put their headscarves on, forcing them back into the burning building where some of them died.
But you are not “appalled” by Trump’s Foundation having gotten fined for an illegal donation in Florida and Trump using some of the funds to purchase a 6ft portrait of himself? We can’t even see who (if any) Trump’s foundation sent data to because he won’t release his tax returns! Sad….
Take the blinders off!
Why would Trumps tax returns contain anything about his foundation other than any personal contributions he made? The foundation would likely have a separate tax return.
Trump blew a golden opportunity. He should have said “The Saudis behead homosexuals and women, but they gave the Clinton Foundation tens of millions of dollars because they care so deeply about the poor in Africa”.
OCT. 20 2016 1:32 AM
Trump’s Final Debate Was a Slow-Motion Meltdown
It was the election in miniature.
By Jim Newell
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/10/trump_s_final_debate_was_a_slow_motion_meltdown.html
Clinton wore a Chinese tunic suit.
I was thinking the same thing as soon as she walked on the stage; Oh boy, here comes Mrs. Mao. Mao had “common sense gun control” also. Of course anything Hellary wants is “common sense” to her. I hate politicians that use that phrase.
Great Trump caricature here!
http://img.wennermedia.com/760-width/trump-failure-with-election-tiabbi-9c70ec25-6cc4-4eb8-bc9e-d6e85c0260b7.jpg
Only in a totalitarian system are the citizens required to pledge acceptance of the election result. The government and the nation are separate. A loyal American can support the nation without supporting the government or the president. A loyal American need not be silent if there may be electoral fraud. Wallace’s claim that everyone must come together after the election is bogus. Dissent is the right of all Americans.
Nobody in Republican Party history has received more votes in the primary election cycle than Donald Trump.
The gap is substantial, too. Some 1.8M more votes than second place Dubya received. Who are these voters, these deplorable voters? It could be crossover Democrats who just wanted to see Trump as the nominee, yet fully intending to back Hillary all along. Still, that’s a high number and the open primary states do not show a drop in support of Hillary.
Somebody is voting for Trump. They haven’t been seen before, not in these numbers at least. Romney and Ryan left behind something like 3-4M GOP voters who were already registered but never cast a ballot in 2012. What an awful campaign that was, with the ACA as the centerpiece issue! We had to pass the ACA “to see what was in it”. Similarly, we had to hold the 2012 election to see how bad the Romney-Ryan ticket was.
Is Florida the key? Again, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz combined had fewer nominal votes than Trump . I have no idea who is voting for this man, but I doubt that the pollsters know either.
There is no key state. Trump is going to get destroyed in the electoral college.
Having seen the 1st debate and snippets from the 2nd, I found Trump’s tat for tit in this 3rd debate boring and a wasteful distraction. He simply has not learned there is a place and time to ignore noise from the other side.
Neither of these candidates sounds like a president. Presidents have been able to do two things very, very well:
1) Present a case simply and clearly.
2) Acknowledge the other side of issues.
Nixon did especially well with #1.
Obama, Clinton, and “W” were especially good with #2.
Trump does a good job on #1, but only if you know his lingo. His lingo is not Standard American Politician. Hillary’s is. She’s honed it over 30+ years. Her answers are such perfect SAP that you know they are “just talk.”
This debate did not make either of these two look good. They both came across as fearful, petty and self-centered. Neither seem to acknowledge that they are asking for a job as a hired hand. Nothing more.
The problem is the format of the debates themselves, they are deeply flawed.
Please explain your views on the economy Mish and you need to do it in one hundred or less words. You wouldn’t even attempt to try that because to be asked to do so is silly in the first place and no answer could be given other then glib bullshit.
I really wish we would have a system like Lincoln Douglas debates. One topic per debate and spend 90 minutes on it with each person going back and forth on it with a chance to also question each other on the topic.
As far as who won, who lost. It’s a tie at this point, no one cares everyone already knows who they are voting for and we should just get this election done and over with.
As for rigging. I enjoy boxing and you will see if a person goes into a match with a dirty fighter, they point it out before so that people are watching for it. I really do not see how this is different and if you think it maybe rigged then why would you say you will agree to the outcome no matter what. It’s insane to ask Trump to do that if he thinks it’s possible that the outcome can be tainted, which is possible thanks to our insane voting laws.
“Joe” is an obvious troll for the Clinton campaign.
Clinton campaign has an internet trolling operation spending 4 million dollars a month on comment spam lead by David Brock.
Media is mostly rigged, many polls are rigged and even many comments are rigged.
… and they’re beaming those impure thoughts into your head with their satellite mind rays.
The Washington Post web site has hundreds of paid posters, One posts a juvenile comment and 50 quickly like it. The problem with the DNC paid posters is they make it way too obvious.
Joe is the voice of the majority of American voters. Mish’s forum has turned into an echo chamber of nutty right wingers.
“Joe is the voice of the majority of American voters”.
Laughable
“Joe is the voice of the majority of American voters. Mish’s forum has turned into an echo chamber of nutty right wingers.”
Obviously false.
“Joe is the voice of the majority of American voters. ”
If that’s true then I now live in an Idiocracy.
Joe is the voice of the mixed up lefttard who’s convoluted logic tells him to vote for Hillary. A little too much time spent in Zucotti Park toking on cheap hashish during Occupy Wall Street instead of learning that HRC is the number one Agent of Fortune that Wall Street has in their corner.
Let’s all sit around and bitch about wealth inequality – and then vote for Hillary?
Trump has been superficial since day 1,it worked ok in a big round robin food fight known as Republican primaries but wore thin as time went on.
I think a lot of people are afraid to admit they support a reprehensible candidate like Trump and will never disclose it to pollsters, this type of phenomenon has happened before (brexit)
If Trump wins I expect Rs will continue to undermine him and guarantee a Dem sweep in 2020,they have already earned every bad thing that happens to them.
That said, trumphas failed to elevate his game
Slate is like MSNBC on drugs.
Trump was good and scored many points and after 2 debates of Clinton stooges as moderators this was the first debate where the moderator asked tough questions from both.
Trump hopefully wins otherwise Hillary will start a war with Russia because ISIS supporting sunni-countries Qatar and Saudi Arabia who have bought off Hillary through the Clinton Foundation want to slaughter Assad and all shiite-alawites in Syria and create Syria as a sunni-led caliphate with sharia law and a country for ISIS where they can externalize all the crazies from Saudi Arabia and Qatar so they keep fighting their holy wars instead of revolting against the corrupt leaders of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Once Syria is in control by Qatar and Saudi Arabia through their installed ISIS-puppets there will be massive oil pipelines and gas pipelines through Syria and Turkey to Europe securing european energy and this will in turn make it possible to attack Iran (the bad deal was made intentionally to goad the Iranese shiia-mullahs to keep dreaming about nukes so Iran can be invaded on that pre-text after Syria is in control and Energy is secured through Syria-pipelines to Europe and USA.).
Iran can’t be attacked currently because the world energy situation would become chaotic because Iran controls persian gulf and can stop tankers through there and thereby cripple world economy by stopping other arab-oil-countries imports if they are attacked.
Once Iran is destroyd the sunnis (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) will lead middle east completely and Assad (shiia-alawite) and Irans mullahs (shiias) will have met the faith of Gaddafi (was an infidel according to Saudi Arabia and Qatar).
Then with complete control of middle east by Saudis and Qataris Hillary can start the 3rd world war with Russia in order to crush Putin and ensure all russian oil and natural resources end up controlled by western oligarchs instead of the current situation where there are some russian oligarchs but majority control is in the hands of Russian state and Putin uses the money to improve russians lives and thereby buys votes for himself.
Even private oil companies in Russia pay most of their profits to Russian state as transit tax to use the government owned oil pipelines and oil terminals.
For USA internally Hillary means marxist policies manipulated to become to reality through Saul Alinsky tactics on whom Hillary wrote her thesis and was a fan of.
Alinsky dedicated “Rules for Radicals” to Lucifer and the beating up of Trump supporters at Trump rallies by democrat controlled thugs is straight Alinsky tactic.
Open borders and mass-amnesty will destroy the ability to elect republicans or people like Trump forever because 50-100 million democrat voters added within the next 20 years through amnesty and open borders and mass-muslim refugee importation will create a permanent democratic majority in house and senate and insure democrat presidents like Hillary for the next 100 years.
When Hillary starts a war with Russia might destroy the human race.
Remember Hillary has said that nuclear weapons are an option and democrat complaints about Trump are the most forceful projection I have seen of what Hllary the war-hawk and war-monger actually has said and believes.
Praying that enough americans can see through the media mind control operation that is done by democrats funded with Saudi Arabian and Qatari money on the foundation level and campaign level and supported by the american version of oligarchs like Murdoch(WSJ/Fox), Roberts (NBC) and Soros (front groups) Bezos (Washington Post) and Slim (New York Times) through media avalanche against Trump.
The choice is:
Trump vs Destruction of America
P.S.
Funny how many new anti-trump commentators this post attracted.
Maybe the hundreds of millions used by Hillary and spent by Brock on internet comment spam found their way here too.
Florida is not a counter example for ‘not accepting the results’. Florida was super close and there were no final results yet.
The question Trump was set up for was would he accept a clear loss (majorities in more than enough states to leave him the clear loser in the electoral college)? Or would he declare the vote was faked, that supposedly dead people were had voted, etc. etc. setting up a ‘stabbed in the back’ narrative. His campaign manager, daughter, and VP pick all asserted he would before the debate clearly setting up the answer for him and signalling he was on board, then he failed to follow thru with the ‘cute’ answer about ‘keeping us in suspense’. He didn’t demonstrate that there was more to him than the persona of the arrogant celebrity who makes a name for himself by issuing absurdly egotistical declarations (“I’m perfect in every way”).
Yours is a Straw Man argument. Trumps answer was simply spun that way by the media.
Looks like it’s all rigged top to bottom.
Yep. Two completely vile and worthless candidates… can’t get more rigged than that.
Marlboro NJ?
On Trump, while I believe his refusal to accept the vote was aimed at a Florida type situation, in this divisive campaign, a refusal to accept could result in violence in the streets. On Clinton, the transcript says “laughter,” but realize that many people laugh when nervous, embarrassed etc.
Again, that the question even needs to be posed says a lot about this election.
Think about this : I have to ask your acceptance of the results of this process, a process that the whole world is an audience for.
James Comey has to ask, as acting director of the FBI mind you, if he can have Mrs. Clinton’s e-mails, ….and then must accept “NO!” for an answer!!
I think Trump won the debate, but it won’t be enough to win the general election. I think the polls tend to be generally skewed in favor of Hillary, but not enough to explain away her large lead.
I thought it was pretty much the worst performance by Trump. Hillary pushed all his buttons and he had either no answers or infantile retorts. She lied like she’s never lied before — and that’s a major challenge, but she did it and got away with it. In sum, he is no debater, that’s for sure. But maybe it won’t matter in the end. Those of us who are revolted by the ballooning corruption and sagging prospects for a better future know what to do about it on election day.
It’s over folks.
The post debate narrative will be, “Trump may not accept election results.” That’s all we will hear from MSM for next two weeks.
This headline gives the perception that Trump is losing, and is lashing out. Winners accept the results, losers don’t. Nobody wants to vote for a loser.
I see the race widening from here, not tightening.
This race was Trumps to lose, and he found a way to lose it. He beat himself, fair and square.
“I see the race widening from here, not tightening.”
Plenty of time for more bombshells to come out.
“This race was Trumps to lose, and he found a way to lose it”
You can’t be serious. It was an uphill battle from Day 1. The media, Democrats, Republican leadership all hated him every step of the way … and let HRC get away with a crime (emails).
HRC is sufficiently far ahead that I don’t feel a need to contribute more of my money to her campaign. I thank Mish for helping me to reach that conclusion. I thank Mish also for the money he has and will save me ivy exposing financial market risks.
Split this ticket. Country before party.
Time for a National Strike………..Remember, Remember the 5th of November.
…Guy Fawkes Day?
I’m reaching here.
If one can’t be certain about much other than equations, then how can one know if any given man accused of rape is guilty?
Do you believe all or even most factually guilty defendants admit so to their lawyers? They do not.
The consequences of a false positive on a rape charge are devastating. Thank goodness our law guarantees that someone will help guard against it. Thanks, HRC for having been that failsafe.
THE AGE GAP and Media Consolidation
Trump supporters come from older segment that often ignore New York corporate owned media. To support Trump the voter must ignore the Corporate owned media.Trump supporters are hard core more likely to actually vote. One fourth of millennials would rather an asteroid hit earth than vote for either candidate. Eighty percent see Hillary as not trust worthy. Hillary young voters are demotivated less likely to actually vote.Hillary can not get a majority of votes given third party candidates. When Hillary depends on Trump approval to give US democracy legitimacy it becomes obvious that US system is loosing its veneeer of legitimacy. WIKIPEDIA “Concentration of media ownership (also known as media consolidation or media convergence) is a process whereby progressively fewer individuals or organizations control increasing shares of the mass media.Contemporary research demonstrates increasing levels of consolidation, with many media industries already highly concentrated and dominated by a very small number of firms. Globally, large media conglomerates include Viacom, CBS Corporation, Time Warner, 21st Century Fox and News Corp (the former News Corporation, split in 2013), Bertelsmann, Sony, Comcast, Vivendi, Televisa, The Walt Disney Company, Hearst Corporation, Organizações Globo and Lagardère Group. Comcast Corporation is the largest media conglomerate in the US, with The Walt Disney Company, Twenty-First Century Fox and Time Warner ranking second, third and fourth respectively.In nations described as authoritarian by most international think-tanks and NGOs, media ownership is generally something very close to the complete state control over information in direct or indirect ways. Trump failed to threat legislation against media consolidation. That was his biggest failure of all progressive candidates .
“switched to MSNBC for commentary. They held a funeral for trump.”
Not surprising. I’ve done very well staying away from MSM concerning the election. The bias is off the charts. I did about 2 weeks ago catch a bit of a round table forum on NBC. Tom Brokaw flatly, and dismissively said “Trump is not going to win”. Turn the channel ever since.
I don’t think you’re clear on what bias is. Recognizing that Trump will not win is not bias.
I see you prefer your “journalism” cooked.
What do you, uh, think of Fox News??
These people who are already certain that Trump will not win seem to know something about how elections are rigged. As they say back in Obama & Hellary’s home town: “The fix is in”.
The influx of never-before heard from Clinton supporters here and elsewhere seems inordinate. If I grant that (paid? seriously?) political trolling organizations exist, how do they identify targets? No offence to Mish, but I thought mishtalk was a smallish operation. Only a few dozen names turn up in the comments regularly (each repeating the same comment every time, regardless of the posted topic by the way).
Three points that make me doubt:
1) The size of the audience that reads through comments,
2) The odds that someone using the comment section of someone else’s blog to express political positions would change their vote,
3) The new comments don’t seem to be robotic.
Occam’s Razor says the most likely reason is that national polls are accurate, and a good portion of Mish’s readership was dismayed by his poorly reasoned embrace of Trump. I’ve been a Mish reader since 2007 or 2008, not because I really agree with much of his political views, but because I do appreciate his “devil’s advocate” take on current economics. I don’t even think he’s right much of the time- but then again neither are most economists. But the Trump thing- that was an unforced error on his part, and hurts his credibility among all but the looniest of the right wing. You don’t want those people taking over your comments section- suddenly you’re a birther, tinfoil conspirator and your occasionally valid economic views become tainted and easy to dismiss.
Agreed. Same here Phil. I have been reading Mish probably since 2006 and occasionally participating in discussions under different net names.
Mish was wrong on Trump and he is wrong to be voting third party.
I am befuddled by how many politically uneducated commentators there are here. Mish should realize that’s a big negative. You are judged by the company you keep.
Rithoiltz nailed Mish several years ago when he posted his “Mish has jumped the Shark” post. And Mish has now become prima facie evidence of Dunning-Kreuger effect in full force across several domians. But hey-to each his own magical thinking. As far as defending that murder charge, Ken White, who’s no big fan of Hillary, did a pretty good takedown for anyone criticizing anyone doing criminal law defense-whether it be a lowly public defender or a high-priced white-shoes Manhattanite-it’s worth a read. Regardless of whoever the next president will be, the risk of another global meltdown is still very real due to the mismanagement of how the Eurozone mismanaged their banking sector swamp.
Mish to me is the most rational economist to date apart from Steve Keen. I listen to what he has to say even if I disagree with it. His observations of Trump are fair, but I don’t think he’s completely correct in that Trump is going to lose because he beat himself…As far as Clinton stooges in the comment section…Well yeah, they are flooding the Internet in every comment section. They will stop getting paid in November and will all disappear.
Clinton is trouncing Trump in polling so you’re deluding yourself by writing her support off as paid stooges. Trump supporters are a shrinking minority. My own prediction is Trump takes 38% of the popular vote.
The only delusion is implying there aren’t any paid activists for Clinton on the Internet.
My two key takeaways from the debate. Clinton avoided to answer directly and pivoted right away.
– Clinton is for Open Border.
– Clinton foundation donors were given preferential role in Haiti contracts during her time at the state department.
“Trump’s Best Debate Performance (But You Would Never Know it Watching MSNBC’s Funeral)”
MSNBC is a propaganda operation, as is NBC “news.”
Zero Hedge noted that the media are all bashing Trump’s “threat to democracy”. The media is in collusion.
Yeah, it is disgusting how they are spinning it. They forget Al Gore’s challenge!
“The media is in collusion.”
Oh, that is so hilariously obvious to anyone who doesn’t really give a damn about who wins and has no emotional investment in the outcome. I’ve never paid even remotely so much attention to a Dem candidate before, but I’ve read so much in great detail on Clinton and she and her hubby are the perfect, textbook examples of corrupt, perpetually lying political slime floating to the top as such people too often do in our corrupt system. Trump is apparently not a slick pol or debater (I haven’t bothered to watch any of the “debates”). He’s more of an oaf in public who doesn’t think before he opens his mouth, making him an easy target for the entire predominantly left wing MSM.
BOTH Trump and Sanders are the result of the proles correctly sensing that they are being screwed somehow. They’ll continue to be screwed no matter who is elected on Nov. 8th, probably more with Clinton than Trump. On Nov. 8th, we’ll see if the proles are once again successfully led by the nose to vote for the most corrupt, bought and paid for status quo candidate or the one who at least promises change. Whoever is elected is probably going to have either a massive worldwide economic collapse or really radical central bank actions taking us further along Japan’s path during their term.
Something I haven’t analyzed is the reason for the rise of militias during Billy’s term. I think it may have been due to a realization of the rise of federal power. Anyone know? The economy was doing great back then, not because of anything Billy did, but because of the early, more positive effects of fictionalization, world economic growth and, especially, due to the computer/internet revolution.
Imagine what may happen during a Hillary term with a bad economy and the complete loss of confidence in and respect for government by so many due to this election. Anyone seen any serious articles on that anywhere?
“The ‘establishment’ composed of journos, BS-Vending talking heads with well-formulated verbs, bureaucrato-cronies, lobbyists-in training, New Yorker-reading semi-intellectuals, image-conscious empty suits, Washington rent-seekers and other ‘well thinking’ members of the vocal elites are not getting the point about what is happening and the sterility of their arguments. People are not voting for Trump (or Sanders). People are just voting, finally, to destroy the establishment.” – Facebook comment made on 7 Mar 2016 by Nassim Nicholas Taleb, scholar, statistician, risk analyst, and author of the 36 week NYT Best Seller “The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable”
“but because of the early, more positive effects of fictionalization”
That should have been “financialization,” although the auto-correct was still somewhat accurate with respect to asset values.
Another great analysis by Charles Hugh Smith. It coincides with Nassim Taleb’s observation about the rise of Trump and Sanders. Of course, this loss of consent does not apply to the wards and beneficiaries of the state (i.e., the very large number of people who vote for government largesse for a living or, of course, those “elites” who can afford to buy government for same):
The Ruling Elite Has Lost the Consent of the Governed
October 20, 2016
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogoct16/consent-of-governed10-16.html
Watch CHM’s many great economy/finance conversations with Gordon T. Long on YouTube. “Our Lawnmower Economy” is an especially good one.
I think the MSM has warped / perverted the meaning of the word democracy. I guess the problem is, nobody has the ability to think anymore. Saying “Trump is a threat to democracy” is ridiculous.
Mish: You seeem to have been so busy studying Human Action by Von Mises that you didn’t read To Kill a Mocking Bird. Really, a libertarian should respect the role of an advocate who counters the assertion of governmental power.
Mish, I am surprised that you call the Tax Foundation a huge win for Trump. It seems to me that Trumps plan just buys growth with higher deficits.
Look at the alternative
I also believe Trump will attempt to do something about the Deficit
Hillary won’t
Besides, it’s not what you or I see – People will like those growth estimates
Meaning, everything will be more expensive. Including housing. This is the same situation in my country, where we have a “near-dollar” currency. When will it snap?
I wonder if the Tax Foundation took into account loss of tax revenue with Clinton bad economy and increased revenue with Trump. It didn’t seem to add up.
Flake and Graham…two wimps.
I don’t know much, but I do know not a single voter in US will change their vote at this point based on those 2 clowns.
I take heart listening to the current media spin: Trump will apparently lead an army of mouth breathing knuckle dragging morons attacking DC if he loses. They seem really worried he might win. I think they are right to worry.
In California, one may recall the history making 2008 presidential election that put Barack Obama into The White House as Anerica’s second black president.
The same ballot watched Proposition 8 go down in defeat!
Go figure. It’s why everyone is nervous from here out. Just cannot call these things. Anything can happen. October surprise when Kerry gets his own damn e-mails hacked and it is discovered that he’s trying to muscle Assange.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/19/megyn_kelly_vs_donna_brazile_did_you_receive_debate_question_beforehand_brazile_i_will_not_be_persecuted.html
Trump has no excuse for not nailing Hillary’s Kenesian big ass to the wall on her economic killing tax policy. The world economy is imploding due to govt’s hunt for money, and Trump could have educated her on how a real free economy works.
Of course the establishment wants Trump to accept the rigged results, but would they accept being falsely accused of a crime based on planted evidence? I think the Dems have plenty of constituents that might be able to relate to a rigged prison industry and the phony war on drugs. No ethical person should accept fraud.
Why didn’t Wallace ask Clinton if she would accept the results, and will she promise that the war card won’t be played, or that Trump won’t be accidentally assasinated?
Why didn’t Wallace ask for the evidence of Russian hacking, instead of accepting the discredited authority? The FBI has been discredited by their own words when they collaborated with the State Dept over confidential ratings on Hillary emails, didn’t all the so-called authorities unanamously tell us Saddam had WMDs?
Doing some research this morning on Hillary’s promise to not add “one penny” to the debt. I found a dew instances of a “balanced budget”, but none where the actual debt didn’t increase. Can anyone show me different?
I don’t think it is possibible, under current circumstances, to balance the budget or fail to increase the debt. If and when interest rates “normalize” it woukd obviously be impossible. At least Trump understands mathematical reality.
They probably both know the reality but Hellary will lie and says she’ll do things she knows are impossible to get the dumbed-down vote; The Donald is much too honest with the voters, not a very good (slimey) politician.
Be careful what you ask for.
This reminds me of the first GOP nomination debate, and all the pundits wringing their hands because Trump would not say that he would support the eventual nominee, no matter who it is. Eventually he caved, and signed a pledge with all the others.
Then Trump won! What happened? Ask Kasich and Bush and Lindsay and Fiorina, and a bunch of others who were trounced. Did they honor their pledge, or did they renege and like petulant little children say they were going to take their ball and go home? How many of the 19 who took the pledge actually followed through on their word, and how many were just the usual lying, politician sack of poop?
Will Hillary be the next one to take her ball and go home because things did not go her way?
Exactly. We have seen such pledge means nothing. Does anyone seriously believe Clinton won’t do an Al Gore? So why is this such a big deal? Is it an attempt to shift the focus away from electing the most qualified President?
In every debate Hillary bought up how great the economy was under her husband. Why didn’t Trump shoot back that we gave it all back after the dotcom crash? That Clinton’s economy was fake based on fake dotcom jobs and it was crashing as he left office?
Hillary dredged up the 1970’s fair housing thing on Trump in all three debates….why didn’t he ever hit back with Whitewater, Vince Foster, Cattle Futures, etc…?
Not to mention the fraudulent balancing of the budget bs by selling long-term debt and swapping it it with lower interest short-term treasuries.
I read in an article, that Hillary would treat a cyber “attack” (surveillance) like a real attack. That´s funny (and very dangerous) when you keep in mind that the usgov is the world leader in e-surveillance. Heard about Snowden? no?
Please repost the blog about your draft number and the decorated soldier who wrote and spoke about who really benifits from war. How manufactures win and soldiers are sacrificed Tim Gaynor 763-443-5460 tpgaynor@yahoo. com if you can’t repost please send me a copy or directions to find it or reprint Thanks Mish, your best writer on the internet and I’m a loyal follower. Your work makes a difference in this BS filled world.
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Ibd/tipp, pretty reliable, put him 1% ahead before debate.
IMO polls under predict his support, similar to Brexit, partly on account of missing cells, also local ethnics want a wall but might not say so out loud.
Plus, a pop vote tie not good for Hillary because of rep electoral vote advantage, remember bush won ev but lost pop by 500k.
So… I see trump as ok bet at even, great with odds.
In terms of the hypocrisy of Hillary being the big champion of women…it wasn’t just the defense of the rapist. She is married to a guy to a guy who cheated on her endlessly for 40+ years. Lewinsky in white house, Flowers admitted under Oath, $850k settlement to Jones, accusations by Broaderick, other interns of sexual harassment. That to me is the weirdest thing about Hillary. How could you stay married to a guy that endlessly openly disrespected you again and again and again??? And not speak out against it? This hypocrisy by Clinton was not hit hard enough by Trump in the debates.
And with the cockroach theory if there is one on the floor there is hundreds in the wall….these 5-6 are the only ones that came forward with Bill…there were probably dozens of others.
It all just speaks to the mindset of somebody like that. What kind of rationale that goes into her decision making. In a word, it’s awful.
Alas, she is a Democrat candidate for national office. That means there is a dysfunctional relationship with the father or other central authority figure.
Trump is ahead in early voting returns in swing states, and the change compared to the 2012 election is dramatic. The media polls oversample democrats by a average of 11%. The Arizona poll oversampled by +34% to generate a Hillary lead of +5%.
This is hard data. Trump will win based on this. Win bigly
SCOTT ADAMS’ BLOG
I Wake You Up for the Presidential Debate
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152024526021/i-wake-you-up-for-the-presidential-debate
Excerpt:
I’ve spent a lifetime trying to learn the tricks for discerning illusion from reality. And I’m here to tell you that if you are afraid that Donald Trump is a racist/sexist clown with a dangerous temperament, you have been brainwashed by the best group of brainwashers in the business right now: Team Clinton. They have cognitive psychologists such as Godzilla advising them. Allegedly.
I remind you that intelligence is not a defense against persuasion. No matter how smart you are, good persuaders can still make you see a pink elephant in a room where there is none (figuratively speaking). And Clinton’s team of persuaders has caused half of the country to see Trump as a racist/sexist Hitler with a dangerous temperament. That’s a pink elephant.
As a public service (and I mean that literally) I have been trying to unhypnotize the country on this matter for the past year. I don’t do this because I prefer Trump’s policies or because I know who would do the best job as president. I do it because our system doesn’t work if you think there is a pink elephant in the room and there is not. That isn’t real choice. That is an illusion of choice.
Trump represents what is likely to be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to bring real change to a government that is bloated and self-serving. Reasonable people can disagree on policies and priorities. But Trump is the bigger agent for change, if that’s what you think the country needs. I want voters to see that choice for what it is.
And it isn’t a pink elephant.
If you are wondering why a socially liberal and well-educated cartoonist such as myself is not afraid of Trump, it’s because I don’t see the pink elephant. To me, all anti-Trumpers are experiencing a shared illusion.
And, of course, this is just all over the MSM:
17 OCT 16
Hackers Hit U.S. Senate GOP Committee
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/hackers-hit-u-s-senate-gop-committee/#comments
The national news media has been consumed of late with reports of Russian hackers breaking into networks of the Democratic National Committee. Lest the Republicans feel left out of all the excitement, a report this *past week* out of The Netherlands suggests Russian hackers have for the past six months been siphoning credit card data from visitors to the Web storefront of the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC).
That’s right: If you purchased a “Never Hillary” poster or donated funds to the NRSC through its Web site between March 2016 and the first week of this month, there’s an excellent chance that your payment card data was siphoned by malware and is now for sale in the cybercrime underground.
Dear Mish,
This election is:
1) Anti-establishment election, just like Brexit,
2) Trump is the peace candidate,
3) Trump is the America versus Globalist candidate,
4) We are in a 9 year long great depression with high unemployment rate, which man people want change,
5) Anti-immigration mood versus let all the Syrians in mood of the country,
6) A most visibly corrupt politician on one side (Killary Rotten Killington) that hardly has anyone come to see her speak at her speeches versus an outsider that is drawing large crowds. See http://americannewsinsider.com/index.php/2016/09/06/hillary-clinton-faces-a-major-problem-nobody-cares-about-her-political-campaign/
7) The Ron Paul big crowds versus measly Romney Crowds are showing up for Trump. Ron Paul would have been president if he had become the Republican Nominee.
8) Independents are for Trump.
9) Trump supporters are motivated. Hillary supporters are primary hard-core democrats.
10) Even my best friend since high school a black man who voted for Obama, said he will NOT vote for Clinton, because she is too corrupt.
11) It is coming out that the pools are polling more Democrats than Republicans by using techniques like: “If you have not a democrat or Republican over 1 year” you will not be asked. This way Trump’s new supporters are counted less than they are.
12) Bernie Sanders supporters and Sanders were totally screwed by Killary people, eh same way Romney people did it to Ron Paul.
Of course Killary has the Wall Street/Banister owned Media (except FOX) in her hip pockets.
Despite all of this, you still really believe that Killary Rotten Killington will win?
Your’s in freedom and justice,
Peymon Mottahedeh, President
Freedom Law School
http://www.LiveFreeNow.org (813)444-4800
God help us all if Hillary wins. I don´t think she even knows what nuclear weapons mean. To cite from the movie “the Rock”: It´s one of the things we wish we could disinvent.
Anyway. When I read forums like these (big stars to the owner of this forum for keeping a free speech site on the internet) I think americans are very rational people. (speaking from northern Europe here). I had hoped for a brexit followed by a Trump win, for a better world. But unfortunately, it seems like your country is hijacked by moneyed interests. Anyway, our alliance will stand, until the system breaks down. Cheers. God bless. Take care of your own.
I will move some of my investments gradually into Russia and China. And some into Australia/NZ, India, South Africa, Brazil and so on. Of course, no fiat money has any value without a powerful government. Above all I will keep the main investments in my own country, because that´s the best place to be if international trade brakes down. I will favor stocks over bonds, because business is better than debt. Of course, I have already invested in my brewing machine from Germany to make my own beer. Cheers.
So woters in US, get real. If Russia can destroy the earth 2 times, and you can do it 20 times, yes you are stronger, congratulations.. Seriously. And a money hungry witch, who doesn´t even understand this point?
What difference to the planet Russia 2x USA 20x alright
Trump has no chance of winning the election so his 3rd debate means nothing.