The parade of politicians and media pundits who are totally clueless about what happened and why is miles long.
Most writers are equally clueless about what to do now and how to react.
Let’s kick of the parade of incorrect, political correctness with a Michael Moore and Stephen Colbert.
Morning After
Documentary film-maker Michael Moore has a Morning After To-Do List that allegedly has gone viral.
- Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.
- Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn’t let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must “heal the divide” and “come together.” They will pull more hooey like that out of their ass in the days to come. Turn them off.
- Any Democratic member of Congress who didn’t wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that’s about to begin.
- Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked”. What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You’re fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.
- You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don’t. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he’s president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we’ll continue to have presidents we didn’t elect and didn’t want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there’s climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don’t want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the “liberal” position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above).
Moore’s Fantasyland
Moore ends his to-do list with a preposterous comment “Let’s try to get this all done by noon today.”
Moore lives in a Fantasyland where Hollywood, New York, and California socialists and unions are in control.
For all the talk of a popular vote win for Hillary, check out two key states. Hillary beat Trump by a margin of 5,491,633 to 2,970,914 in California. That is net margin of 2,520,719.
She beat Trump in New York by a margin of 4,143,874 of 2,640,570. That is net margin of 1,503,304.
I look at things this way: Trump’s Geographic Landslide.
In the real world, we have a Republic, not a Democracy, designed by our constitutional founders on purpose, so that a few large population states do not dictate the rules for the entire nation.
How Could God Let Trump Win?
In his TV show, in a state or shock, Colbert asks “How Could God Let Trump Win?”
I have to say I laughed, but Colbert is as clueless as Moore.
Crowds Take to the Streets
Of all the totally clueless actions, taking the protest to the streets is near the top of the list. Hillary already conceded. Yet, the New York Times reports ‘Not Our President’: Protests Spread After Donald Trump’s Election .
Thousands of people across the country marched, shut down highways, burned effigies and shouted angry slogans on Wednesday night to protest the election of Donald J. Trump as president.
It was the second night of protests there, following unruly demonstrations that led to property damage and left at least one person injured shortly after Mr. Trump’s election was announced.
The protests on Wednesday came just hours after Hillary Clinton, in her concession speech, asked supporters to give Mr. Trump a “chance to lead.”
In New York, crowds converged at Trump Tower, on Fifth Avenue at 56th Street in Midtown Manhattan, where the president-elect lives.
They chanted “Not our president” and “New York hates Trump” and carried signs that said, among other things, “Dump Trump.” Restaurant workers in their uniforms briefly left their posts to cheer on the demonstrators.
The demonstrations forced streets to be closed, snarled traffic and drew a large police presence. They started in separate waves from Union Square and Columbus Circle and snaked their way through Midtown.
If protesters really want to protest something meaningful, they ought to be picketing the Fed and its inflationist policies that have destroyed the middle class.
Chancellor Merkel
German Chancellor Angela Merkel had the gall to chastise Trump in a supposedly congratulatory statement. It was nothing but hypocritical. For details, please see Merkel Has the Gall to Lecture Trump, Not Islamist Police State Bedfellow Erdogan.
French President Francois Hollande
Hollande proclaimed Trump’s ‘Excesses’ Make People ‘Want to Retch’
His policies, and the policies of socialists in general are why France is a basket case. They make any thinking person want to retch.
West Cannot Survive Trump
Philip Stephens, writing for the Financial Times says America Can Survive Trump. Not So the West.
America’s tragedy — and how else can one describe the passage to the White House of someone whose politics are so boastfully rooted in prejudice and hate — is also the west’s tragedy.
Mr Trump is content to preside over the dissolution of the US alliance system, leaving Europe vulnerable to Mr Putin’s revanchism and East Asia to the ambitions of an assertive China. Japan and South Korea, he has suggested, may want to build their own nuclear weapons. We can be sure that, if he keeps a promise to abrogate the international nuclear deal with Iran, then Tehran will soon enough build its own bomb.
Other democracies face their own populist insurrections. Demagogues across Europe have been lauding Mr Trump’s success. Marine Le Pen, the leader of France’s xenophobic National Front, hopes to emulate him in next year’s contest for the Elysée Palace. Hungary and Poland have fallen into the arms of far-right nativism. Britain’s vote in June to leave the EU in significant part was an expression of angry English nationalism.
Mr Trump goes further by repudiating the basic, organising idea of the west: the notion that the world’s richest democracies can oversee a fair and inclusive rules-based system to underwrite global peace and security. Co-operative internationalism is to be replaced by competitive nationalism.
So the dangers will now come thick and fast. How much of a free Europe can survive the withdrawal of the US security umbrella? Will Russia be allowed to restore its influence over formerly communist states in eastern and central Europe? Will rising states in the east and south now look to authoritarianism rather than democracy as a model for their societies? Who will keep the peace in the East and South China seas? How safe or stable is a world organised around the interests of, and conflicts between, a handful of great powers?
America’s Tragedy?
The tragedy in all of this is the socialists, the public unions, Hollywood, the Fed, and Central Banks are completely clueless about what happened and why.
Donald Trump is not a tragedy. The tragedy is piss poor economic policies led to the rise of Donald Trump in the US, Brexit in the UK, Marine Le Pen in France, and Beppe Grillo in Italy.
The solution is not more Europe, more unions, more socialism, more QE, or more free handouts that have punished the middle class to the sole benefit of the political class, the bankers, and the already wealthy.
I strongly disagree with Trump on free trade.
Yet, Trump won because he tapped that discontent. But Hillary? Please spare me the sap. She represented the war mongers, Wall Street, and drones. A no fly zone in Syria risked a war with Russia,
I am in favor of lifting Russia sanctions immediately. It’s high time the US mind its own business. We should be more like New Zealand.
How many governments did New Zealand overthrow? How many disasters did the US create by overthrowing governments? Iran, Iraq, Libya, Chile, Afghanistan, and an attempt in Vietnam all come to mind, at a cost of trillions of dollars, better spent at home.
Hillary was an agent of the status quo. Trump provides a chance at much needed change. The US can no longer afford to be the world’s policeman.
Non-Solutions
- Central bank sponsored inflation is not the solution, it is the problem.
- Regulation is not the solution, it is the problem.
- Public unions are not the solution, they are the problem.
- Competitive currency debasement is not the solution it is the problem.
- More debt is not the solution, it is the problem.
- Warmongering is not the solution, it is the problem.
- Tariffs are not the solution, they are the problem.
- Minimum wage hikes are nor the solution, they are the problem.
- More military spending is not the solution, it is the problem.
- The status quo is not the solution, it is the problem.
Trump is wrong on 7, 9, and it appears 5 although he says otherwise. Trump is either correct, or positioned correctly on the rest.
Solutions
- End fractional reserve lending.
- Return to a gold standard.
Neither candidate espoused those policies. Trump is more likely than Hillary to do something reasonable.
Blame Game
FRL stands for Fractional Reserve Lending.
Gold’s Honest Discipline
The entire trade problem and deficit spending problem can be linked directly to fractional reserve lending and Nixon closing the gold window allowing governments and central banks to inflate at will.
For details, please see …
- Hugo Salinas Price and Michael Pettis on the Trade Imbalance Dilemma; Gold’s Honest Discipline Revisited
- How One Billionaire Became a Gold Bug
Massive problems started the moment Nixon closed the gold window.
Inquiring minds should consider Readers Question Free Trade; Does Nonreciprocal Free Trade Cost Jobs? Paul Krugman “Was” Right!
Tariffs are not the answer. Free trade, a gold standard, and the end to fractional reserve lending and central banks is the answer.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
If anyone thought the Coal, Oil & Gas guys were going to roll over and go away, think again. The Koch Bros., Karl Rove, Gingrich group of older white men in cahoots with Vlad Putin’s natural gas boys have certainly made their impressive play using The Chameleon. Stop using “Political Correctness” inappropriately all the time hoax-man. Welcome to aggressive isolationism America.
God bless President Trump … !!!!!
How hard is it to understand the concept of a federated republic? Probably not hard at all and I suspect that if the witch had won the electoral college vote while losing the popular vote, Mahr and his type would have song the virtues of the electoral college.
Nor does Mahr consider the effects of voter fraud. All indications were that the Democrats had a lock on voter fraud in this election. Therefore, their “popular” vote is suspect anyway. Candidates who were popular with Mahr and his crowd received the vast majority of the popular votes for their popular candidate.
In ordinary times we can brush such self-serving bleetings off. Not so today. After 33 years of this cabal manipulating our civilization, raping it, ignoring us, we must take bolder steps to control them and stop them in their tracks. Let’s do it!
33 years? Yeah! Eight of Obama, eight of Little Bush, eight of Clinton, eight of Poppy Bush and the last three years of Reagan’s administration when his Alzheimer’s was getting bad and snakes like vice-president Bush senior began to manipulate the Reagan administration.
Poppy Bush was president only 4 years.
Even if you accept his premise about Poppy, his numbers still don’t add up (35 if you take his numbers, 31 if you correct for Poppy).
This IS a disaster for THEIR vision of the world. They are vehement in their religion of STATE that superceded and replaces all other religions. This is their version of the crusades where they will justify any injustice that advances THEIR GOD…..THE STATE. Any moderation or resistance is seen as heretical and must be cast out…. destroyed.
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Here here Mish. Your assessment is spot on. The levels of abject ignorance expressed by the media and establishments of the world about the why of Trump is astounding. The politicrats are clearly visible now.
The phrase you are looking for is “Hear! Hear!” It descends to us from the British Parliament, where political debates are carried on in close quarters, and face-to-face. When one side makes a telling debate point, its supporters will call out “Hear! Hear!”, signifying that they agree with the argument, and calling on the other side to “hear” (i.e., to listen earnestly to, and acknowledge) the point that’s being made. The expression is a proper British parliamentary surrogate for rude partisan clapping and cheering.
The “West” deserves to sink if it is that reliant on U.S. subsidies. Seriously, Europe is “vulnerable to Putin’s revanchism” if the U.S. backs off. I thought the E.U. had a larger economy and more people than the U.S. Europe can’t protect themselves and assert their interests against a country with a declining population well less than half their own, and is also economically dependent on the price of oil. If that’s the case, Europe needs to rethink its priorities, and stop depending on U.S. subsidies to defend its interests.
There are entities in Europe that want to get much closer to Russia. Russian strength is in leadership, leadership the EU lacks at every level. In this case forget demographics. A fish rots from the head and the EU’s head stinks.
A feminized and pacifist Europe embraces the notion of a protectorate who shelters them from harm while still demanding equality in respect. You would think after millions of years of evolution that people would understand the costs and trajectory of dependency.
I voted for Trump and I am seeing some evidence of problems cropping up now. First noted problem happened back in March, when he gave a speech at the AIPAC Convention. I hope that was not the equivalent of taking the AIPAC Pledge. We have to wait and see, that’s all we can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuLxLXzW26Y
the establishment still is using its old discredited framework of analysis. No wonder they are clueless.
it’s akin to a Soviet Journalist or CPUSSR apparatchik blathering on about adjusting Marxist-Lenninism to conform with latest 5 year plan in 1989. Meanwhile, real Russians were celebrating liberation from tyranny
Look who now hates the electoral college. http://front.moveon.org/
Nigel Farage vs Gina Miller –
There exist a simple well understood principle: referendums override the vote of parliament. In fact, parliament does not vote on the result of referendums.
Not correct: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/nov/03/article-50-high-court-ruling-high-court-set-to-rule-on-whether-mps-should-vote-on-triggering-article-50-politics-live
We shall see, comments need to be kept minimal and to those most capable of arguing the case 8th December onwards. Suffice to say, it aint over ’til the fat lady has sung.
Chris Golightly – please try to read outside of the Guardian, Independent etc. It will do you the world of good. Brussels is very insular you know.
http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/referendum-article-50-case.shtml
Fishy. You have no idea at all how widely read I am. Certainly more than the Guardian and never read the Indy website much at all. I even read The Spectator and Financial Times, occasionally WSJ! Oh yes. Presumptive. Not good.
chris golightly, I can work out precisely what you read plus other things.
Go carefully.
Oooh how mysterious.
Read up on the previous 2 votes prior to the referendum – national and parliamentary – that validate the non-advisory nature in this case.
The legal status of the referendum of 23 June 2016 is clear. It is ‘advisory’ and does not, of itself, trigger the Article 50 process or bind the UK government or Parliament.
Section 1(1) of the European Union Referendum Act 2015 states: “A referendum is to be held on whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union”. There is no binding commitment to implement the decision – the wording of the Act does not give any indication as to what must happen next.
This view has been reiterated by academics:
“The EU […] Referendum is a creature of the European Union Referendum Act 2015. There is no requirement in the Act that the UK Government implement its results, nor does the statute set any time limit for implementing a vote to leave the EU. It is a pre-legislative, or consultative, referendum, enabling the electorate to express its opinion before any legislation is introduced. The 1975 referendum on the UK’s continued membership of the EEC was also an example of this type.”
Before the referendum, David Cameron had indicated that his government would implement a vote to leave by triggering Article 50 (a logical approach given that his government had instigated the referendum). Since the referendum, Theresa May has committed her government to pursue and deliver Brexit. It is regarded as a political obligation to carry out ‘the will of the people’. Two new departments of state have been established – the Department for Exiting the EU and the Department for International Trade.
In theory, at least, these decisions do not bind future UK governments or Parliament.
Article 50 TEU provides that “any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.” The question has arisen whether the UK government is entitled to give notice under Article 50 without any approval or legislation by Parliament.
Following the referendum result several commentators and lawyers have questioned whether the Prime Minister can trigger Article 50 unilaterally. Three constitutional lawyers published an article that contends an Act of Parliament is needed to approve the triggering of Article 50. They argue that if the Prime Minister were to “attempt to do so before such a statute was passed, the declaration would be legally ineffective as a matter of domestic law and it would also fail to comply with the requirements of Article 50 itself”.
I am not talking about Britain, but to referendum lands such as Switzerland, and California. If I understand the principles of democracy, the highest level of decision is a referendum (usually on a single issue), over the vote of the elected representatives of the people.
The reality is that most countries do not have referendums on vital issues, while the most referendum happy ones have them on most trivial issues.
I hate it too, but that’s how it is.
If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs…
Highly recommend “If”, by Kipling. Somehow on point.
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If—
By Rudyard Kipling
(‘Brother Square-Toes’—Rewards and Fairies)
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
Source: A Choice of Kipling’s Verse (1943)
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New Zealand were planning an invasion of Australia recently but we couldn’t get the Hercules to start and the army had a rugby match that afternoon anyway. Maybe next year.
New Zealand has switched invasion plans to Ireland
🙂
Har!
“Invade” some Australian pubs?
Hey Mish I’m at the ER. Say a prayer for me and if u do He will hear it!
Just give Trump and the Congress Pubs enough rope and they will wind up strangling themselves, as they have always done in recent years.
I hope the Dems grow the balls to give the Pubs a taste of their own medicine over the next 4 years. I’m with Michael Moore! 🙂
“I hope the Dems grow the balls to give the Pubs a taste of their own medicine over the next 4 years. I’m with Michael Moore”
Uneducated Joe, that would be expected of you. You need to learn tolerance.
“taste of their own medicine ..”?
LOL!
You shills are still pushing the phony Red Blue dichotomy.??
Get a real job man!
You admit you are “with” Moore? I was thinking you seem to be but I did not mention it as it would be too mean.
How do you want to make America Great?
https://apply.ptt.gov/yourstory/Apply_YourStory
Trump is looking for suggestions at the URL above. I offered “Resign immediately!”
Wow, you’re pretty clever, joe. You should run for dog-catcher.
New Zealand has supported the overthrow of every country the British and the US wanted to overthrow, well since we had a Western framed government. We’re as fucked up as youse. Stop thinking Lord of the Fucking Rings us a travel documentary.
Hey Mish Truth seeker here at ER. Say a prayer for me He will hear it
Reading what Michael Moore and the FT had to say, am glad that idiocy is no longer going to be the dominant ideology driving the USA. Those Fools had their 8 years, and their only answer to Obamacare’s mathematical failure (premiums and deductibles and IRS tax penalties increasing to infinity) is to double down on their madness by increasing IRS penalties, etc. beyond infinity. The Liberal Interventionists and their fool followers in the socialist camp will likely never understand mathematics well enough to grasp simple free market economics, much less fractional reserve lending, the gold standard, bills of trade or central banks. Anyway, they have little use for free markets outside of a little crony capitalism and pay-for-play. Their only goal is to seize power so that they can use the apparatus of government to force people into compliance with their wishes. They are the real bullies. But if they want to whine and wallow about losing, what the heck. They will be just as unhappy as those who embraced the Obama birth certificate red herring. Trump said it well in his closing week speeches: this is more than Donald Trump, it is a Movement. By the time these people realize that, they will be quaint anachronisms, never realizing that the socialist utopia is an equation that always adds up to bankruptcy.
“Reading what Michael Moore and the FT had to say, am glad that idiocy is no longer going to be the dominant ideology driving the USA.”
Look at the popular vote count. Don’t EVEN believe that “clueless” has gone out of style here.
Philip Stephens hasn’t got a clue!
I stopped reading the FT a few years back, a mouthpiece of people out of touch.
BBC in a similar vain now. How the hell this gap between people and the media has opened up is beyond me. It coould be down to the education system or is it just birds of a feather flock together?
There were Poles in the UK that had naturalised that voted LEAVE. This man is prejudiced. Who vets journalists to weed out the prejudiced? Shouldn’t the social elite have made that illegal; by now? They certainly would have done if colour was mentioned, ore religion. Many Indo-Britsh voted LEAVE too.
“Britain’s vote in June to leave the EU in significant part was an expression of angry English nationalism.”
The fun started with Brexit. Trump has fed it the much needed momentum. Let the action start in Europe.
All these people can gripe as much as they want but the result is in. Trump it is. As Munger said “Suck it up and cope”. The boot is on the other foot now. Times are a changing indeed!
KPL, anyone supporting Trump in the EU is now labelled FAR RIGHT. Anyone anti-EU, just happen to be the same sort of people, are also labelled FAR RIGHT.
They never suspect the EU might be a supra-national Fascist State. Everyone else has the problem. Will be labelled a psychological problem.
http://www.euractiv.com/section/euro-finance/interview/trumps-us-could-be-tax-haven-blacklisted-says-tax-commissioner/
Here – http://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/news/europes-extreme-right-leaders-revel-in-trumps-victory/
Wow. As someone who has lived and worked in Europe in several countries over the last 30 years I have never even considered for one moment that it might be – wait a minute – a “Supra-National Fascist State”. Maybe I need to think again. What are you on? There are many “anti-EU” people who are on the left you know. Always have been. Simplistic. The problem is not the European UnIon concept as such, but the ways the European COMMISSION is run and managed, which is generally speaking – pretty badly. Are we in a fascist stae over here. Well, I doubt it but will give it some considered thought Fish (not real name?).
when you have key members threatening others (to punish them) who might want to leave the supra-national organisation – that’s authoritarian & intolerant.
Regimentation – it’s being worked on through harmonization attempts. Intolerant of dissent – see above etc.
Granted, perhaps it’s some amalgam including Soviet elements but it’s getting there.
“……..stands for a centralized autocratic government…….., severe economic and social regimentation, and……..suppression of opposition”
Many American companies (and others) have been paying close to zero corporation tax in Europe for many years. A deal is a deal.
Tax evasion and avoidance with “offshoring” of jobs is a huge problem globally. Who is going to fix those astronomical levels of corruption? They will not fix themselves. The corrupt financial systems seem to be areas where both Trump (apparently) and Sanders had/have very common ground. Who will fix this?
Soviet Elements. Wow. That would be quite something. Socialism and communism are not the same things despite what many of you have been led to believe over the last 50 years. Social Democracy is something else again. Wake up.
The reasons behind youth unemployment in Europe and severe depression and anxiety behavioural problems for young people in North America have less to do with the actions of the European Commission men and women or the SU Federal Government than the explosion in corruption and wealth inequality in many “Western” countries.
When I want to know something about socialism or communism I go to an expert.
Lenin said “The goal of socialism is communism”.
In many other quotes he used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably.
you do need to think again, we can agree on that.
I always like to think again, but I do not always act on it. Thanks for the advice though Mr. Anonymous Fish.
Chris, you know we can talk in circles and get nowhere, much as we try to resolve any theme. We could start with the term fascism itself. Is majority rule fascist? Or is fascism nationalistic socialised state corporatism? You will read many definitions, but the one point I notice that unites them is the comparative removal of personal choice – freedom, and also the distancing of the power structure from public will.
Law is dictate, there is a limit that people will tolerate in non accountability with regards.
Finance is leverage that occurs at a public private level, the public side embodied by government, the private side by financial institution. Both of those have agendas that are not solely the benefit of the population at large, and their methodoly is opaque, their arbitrage obscure.
Now you mix this all up at national, co-national and international level, and I guarantee you that transparency and responsibility will at least diminish.
I could back Fish with numerous arguments, or support the ideals you pursue, but the FACT is that events, economics, finance, politics, social cohesion, are out of hand in the west, in EU also.
That is why people are calling for HOME AUTHORITY , not political venture and all that follows in its wake.
Now you can turn this argument round, but people, hundreds of millions of them, also have their own experience and intuitions, and that is the expression we are witnessing and subject to at government level, at the end of the day, no matter how right or wrong we believe we are.
That is all just fine. My Mirriam-Webster definition of fascism (they are all fairly similar) is:
“A way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government”.
The last time I looked the European Commission was not a government, there are no dictators, anyone can disaagree with them without too many bad things happening and all it’s Directives are formed under the Treaty of Lisbon: “The Treaty of Lisbon (initially known as the Reform Treaty) is an international agreement which amends the two treaties which form the constitutional basis of the European Union (EU). The Treaty of Lisbon was signed by the EU member states on 13 December 2007, and entered into force on 1 December 2009”.
About 52% of those who voted in Britain in June voted to dump this and leave, which may happen in early 2019. Many of those who protest-voted against the London government arrogance and ignoring of the post-industrial changes which have happened affecting their jobs and lives so badly in reality have no idea about much of this and why should they. England, particularly the south never really took to the EC concept and there are many in continental Europe who would be happy enough to see them go and take their chances alone anyway.
Yes, it will be difficult, without doubt. On the other hand, a fresh outlook in a hopefully not too hostile environment, in a world that is now super-productive, carries its own promise. No matter where you stand, it is important to stay positive but not deluded – true sentiment and will does not fade and whatever the political background there should still be plenty of room for people to pursue their chosen directions, they will just have to follow a slightly different format. Let’s not over emphasize the importance of the official format, there are always barriers and difficulties in life, we have to make the best of what is without getting too distracted along the way.
Very well said and agree.
Ah yes, you can disagree, and in many countries express that disagreement, but to argue your disagreement in EU at an effective level is near impossible. You would have to wait until you can elect a rebellious government or EP members, and then watch as their say is pitted against over twenty other countries and the commission half a continent away. Good luck with that.
UK law was subrogated to EU justice over forty years ago by British parliament, the evolution of EU just does not suit British standards ( be they better or worse) or identity. In other countries as well EU has become somewhere national politics will hide behind, responsibility and accountability being offshored to some unreachable framework. They are going to need something better to keep the show on the road, dissent towards EU is common, to many people EU is a standard that has become disconnected from their reality. Personally I will blame the single currency as the main culprit, the enabler to a kind of leverage that should not have been accepted. If they want the full monty, mutual debt and central governance, then it should have occured by open voluntary assimilation, not some kind of pit trap into which nations find themselves herded by deft technical and social manipulation.
https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/precursors-origins-italian-fascism
http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2015/07/are-fascists-socialists-are-socialists-fascists/
This a good argument and indeed many English people, particularly in the South are deeply psychologically wedded to the grand Imperial past glories. That will take yet another generation to get over. Fine arguments can be thrown back and forth, but at the end of the day, this is about joining together in Europe to be stronger against those who would harm us, or England being just a poor small US State hanging off coat-tails. I doubt it will prosper alone with Ireland and Scotland entirely apart.
Posted in wrong place above….
Yes, it will be difficult, without doubt. On the other hand, a fresh outlook in a hopefully not too hostile environment, in a world that is now super-productive, carries its own promise. No matter where you stand, it is important to stay positive but not deluded – true sentiment and will does not fade and whatever the political background there should still be plenty of room for people to pursue their chosen directions, they will just have to follow a slightly different format. Let’s not over emphasize the importance of the official format, there are always barriers and difficulties in life, we have to make the best of what is without getting too distracted along the way.
Her winning the popular vote is kinda a sh*t argument. I am a Republican, and when I lived in a posh suburb, just outside D.C. in uber-blue MD. My vote was meaningless so I never did. In a popular vote my ass would have been out there in a second, so maybe it’s only worth looking at the competitive states, as in all fairness a Dem in TX would be wasting their time as well. Although when I lived in TX, I don’t think I ever met a Democrat.
Clinton took every major city in Texas and overall had 43% of the vote. Maybe not 2020 but by 2024 Texas is lost to the Republicans forever.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S6KLK_8Tg6Y
“HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!”“HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE, much of which was by living US citizens who were properly registered to vote.”
It would be reasonable, given documented electoral results, to assume that something well north of 250k in the Dem votes tally was dubious at best.
That figure pales into insignificance when compared to the likely number of hispanic and black voters who were “disenfanchised” as a result of Karl Rove’s group and their “Crosscheck” related fiddling and manipulation.
http://www.gregpalast.com/gop-led-purge-threat-to-3-5-million-voters/
Yeah like the official who challenged my wife and stepdaughter, both Latinas, that they were not citizens and couldn’t vote etc etc Meanwhile I, an old white man, could vote with no id whatsoever. It worked this year and it may work a few more cycles but eventually even South Africa had to give up apartheid.
From https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/democrats-refuse-to-work-for-the-country/
“The only Democrat to reveal any respect for the people was Bernie Sanders who said “Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media.” Sanders continued: “People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids – all while the very rich become much richer.” “To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him.”
Bernie Sanders gets it! If Democrats had any sense, they would have chosen him. He is also a Gentleman to boot!
In a recently published book about the hippie communes of the ’60s & ’70s, the author says her parents belonged to one in Vermont in the late ’60s. Their policy was anyone could join for 3 days and then the regular members voted on whether the new arrival could stay. Bernie Sanders came there and wanted to join them. But they voted him out, because for 3 days he sat around talking about politics and didn’t help with any of the chores.
You are right that people should be protesting bank inflation, which is the real cause of the average person moving backward. In particular, the bank is printing outrageous medical inflation. I hope President Trump realizes that bank inflation must be stopped to rein in costs, and does something about it (like a gold standard).
A gold standard can’t stop banks from printing inflation unless, as Mish suggests, you also end fractional reserve lending.
But if you ended fractional reserve lending, you would stop banks from printing inflation regardless of whether you had a gold standard.
Wrong. If you ended fractional reserve baking, you would remove the ability of anyone who took out a loan from depositing the money, and also prevented anyone who received the money you spent from depositing theirs. There would be ‘original money’ only. Anything not original (don’t ask me how to isolate ‘original money’ from ‘common currency’), could not be deposited for fear of creating a fractional lending effect.
Seriously, ‘fractional reserve lending’ is an accounting anomaly, not a conspiracy. If you use Accounting 101 T accounts and follow a deposit – loan – deposit – spend money- deposit- loan -spend money chain, you will see how ridiculous the fear portion of the concept is.
And disagree. Though I do agree it is an accounting anomaly. If the accounting rule was that I had to credit a deposit cash account and dr a new accounts receivable loan account, you would always only have original money.
I’d be interested to see if you could show that is false.
Easy peasy.
1) A person takes out a loan, cashes the check and buys something using all of it.
2) The seller DEPOSITS the money.
3) Go to step 1.
This is fractional reserve banking. Horrible, isn’t it?
The bank(s) involved apply risk management to maximize the chances of being repaid.
Same difference if the borrower deposits the cash and spends in a day or two later.
The above scenario is also called ‘deposit creation’ and ‘monetary expansion’ Deposits are being created out of ‘thin air’ according to the conspirators. Did you know you were a part of the problem when you borrowed for the car and the dealer deposited the money you spent? The bank where it was deposited lent it out shortly afterward, furthering the conspiracy.
PS you just described fractional reserve banking, you only left out a couple of entries that described what happened to the cash after the loan. ‘Printing money out of thin air’ is what you just described. Sounds like normal accounting to me.
1) deposit
dr cash cr deposits
2) loan
dr loans receivable cr cash
3) cash deposited by seller
dr cash cr deposits
goto step 2
fractional reserve banking and creating money out of thin air. aka normal everyday accounting.
“Any Democratic member of Congress who didn’t wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that’s about to begin.”
Astounding hypocrisy.
“You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump”
Tell them it was by one quarter of 1%.
“Thousands of people across the country marched, shut down highways, burned effigies and shouted angry slogans on Wednesday night to protest the election of Donald J. Trump as president.”
These actions occur the least Christian places. Reject that religion for science, existentialism or contrary philosophy. Recognize that every country in the world you would willingly live in was built on it. Womens rights have never sustained progress outside of one. In their absence, you get privileged, unemployed adult children chanting and burning puppets in first world nations.
The Netherlands, Germany, most of Scandinavia. “Womens rights have never sustained progress outside of one”. More misogynistic nonesense from the elderly. The under 30s will save us all.
If you can get them out of bed in a morning not having had it as hard as some of the older citizens in the past.
Snowflakes indeed.
Actually that is a good point. I give you that on the bed thing. A large problem.
Bigger problem still – Trichet et al actively expecting breakdown in Southern States (price worth paying?) leading to MASSIVE YOUTH UNEMPOLYMENT – to encourage integration.
Study the history and WAKE-UP.
Lots of under 30’s sacrificed to EU integration.
Evil to treat people in such a way.
Chris Golightly:
In the 4th century, the early process of Christianization of the various Germanic people was partly facilitated by the prestige of the Christian Roman Empire among European pagans. Until the decline of the Roman Empire, the Germanic tribes who had migrated there (with the exceptions of the Saxons, Franks, and Lombards, see below) had converted to Christianity.
Sweden was Christianized from Norse paganism during a long period, not final until the 1130s. Since the 16th century, Sweden has been predominantly Lutheran.
In 1648, the independence of the Netherlands was recognized by the Treaty of Westphalia. The Netherlands did not only include the seven relatively independent Protestant provinces of the Dutch Republic but also a Roman Catholic Generaliteitsland, which was governed by the States-General. This area roughly includes the current provinces of North Brabant and Limburg, which remained Roman Catholic. The Netherlands became known among Anglicans, many Protestants and Jews for its relative religious tolerance and became a refuge for the persecuted and a home for many of these migrants.
To say the modern culture of those nations was not founded on Christianity is, and I don’t often cuss, f–king ignorant.
Strike that comment. Apologies I got off topic. More generally a criticism of the negative effects of throwing away a relatively successful culture.
You are right kevinmackay, but right wing brutal Libertarianism is not particularly Christian at all in it’s ways and attitudes is it and is certainly not the right path to take.
I would never claim those countries did not have a Christian historical background. You seem to have misunderstood. I have lived in two of them. Calm down. I understand the protestant/catholic aspects of both The Netherlands and Belgium quite well. What I fail to understand is what religion has got to with any of this.
The urban/suburban US under-30s and Euro under-40s grew in post Christian culture. By plausible argument, the founding fathers were deist and subsequent leaders trended secularly. Age sixty to eighty liberal US leaders brought thinly veneered 1970’s secular humanism. John Kerry for example labeled his purported Catholicism a faith tradition.
The 70’s humanists abandoned Christianity without replacing it. The resulting worldview assumes universal good and evil as outlined in the New Testament, minus old testament angry god, sinful human nature, legalism and judgement. The humanist answer to “why is stealing wrong?” is “because stealing is wrong”.
Like I said, reject religion for science, existentialism or contrary philosophy. However opinion-based morality won’t stand up to time.
I got side tracked on the topic due to:
“Thousands of people across the country marched, shut down highways, burned effigies and shouted angry slogans on Wednesday night to protest the election of Donald J. Trump as president.”
These are the acts of children in need of guidance. They’re not getting it from post Christian culture.
One more thing:
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have both lived and espoused moral relativism by word and act. Neither is a solution to what ails US culture.
I’m glad you guys on the tolerant left have come up with another insult (mysogynist) besides racist, to throw at people that disagree with you. It must be great not to have to debate topics or think in order win an argument, just belch a single word.
You forgot “bigot”, “uneducated” and half a dozen others.
Don’t you just love a label.
Panic attacks all round if they can’t label and file people away in the “ignore” cabinet.
And Hillary’s ad hominem attacks of Trump and his supporters have directly led to all of the rioting. At least we can hope that the Clinton and Bush political dynasties have finally come to an end. She lost and will hopefully be legally prosecuted for Clinton Foundation fraud, and Jeb didn’t even succeed in entering the race.
“Men Who Do Not Like The Idea of Equality For Women”. Eleven words. Is that better.
No, but it’s just as stupid.
Well, yes it does make things more convenient when you are in a rush. And usually so true and apt with you people!
https://www.facebook.com/viralthread/videos/vb.363765800431935/598130190359668/?type=2&theater
Proof read your writing. I am horrible at writing and I found many mistakes in this otherwise great piece.
Tex
You are fooling yourselves with this rationalization that we are a Republic, not a Democracy. We are not a Direct Democracy, but the idea that somehow a majority must be subject to the rule of a minority on a continuous basis is ludicrous. How long do you think the majority is going to stand for that?
The tilt in the balance of power towards small rural states was a pre-slavery compromise and is an anachronism.
Sorry to say it, but the honest truth is the Blue States don’t really need the Red States and they are certainly not going to stick around much longer as subjects of their backward minority rule.
Good luck with your flyover country.
Good Luck with California breaking away from the Union.
I would welcome it actually.
Mish
I suspect many of them would too.
For a very long time there has been a movement to split CA in half, north & south. It is mostly because the less populated more conservative north does not like being dominated by the liberal more populated SoCal. Another plan would divide it into 6 states:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/07/15/six-californias-tim-draper/12661161/
In each plan the new northern state would be called “Jefferson”. It almost got on the ballot this month.
Its funny, actually, how this seems to be one area where everyone finally agrees. I hope you will truly support it then. There is no reason why Californians should be forced to live according to your value system, and there is no reason why you should be forced to live according to ours. We are wasting inordinate amounts of resources fighting each other in Washington. Best to shake hands, cooperate where possible, and otherwise go our own ways.
California would be incredibly successful without the nasty, bitter rustbelt hate-obsessed right wing oldsters causing all this trouble. If I were a young Californian I would push for that, just as I would leave London if I were a young Englishmen and head for Germany, where the future is assured and the past stays in the past rather than stuck horribly in people’s heads.
I believe it will happen. I have talked to very reasonable people today, not even young ones per se, who in a million years would have never dreamed of it a year ago, and they are all on-board. They are done with the Red State knuckledraggers and the endless waste of time, energy and resources fighting them in Washington. Its completely unnecessary. I expect a ballot initiative in 2018, a referendum in 2019, and an independent California with strong trade ties to Asia. The push will be backed by Silicon Valley money. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the other West Coast states came along for the ride as well.
http://www.yescalifornia.org
Of course, if Trump really surprises everyone and performs well, both economically and socially/culturally, it might dampen the enthusiasm by 2019, but really, what are the chances of that?
People like to say the Californians are all crazy loons, well, we are crazy enough to do it, I can tell you that.
I am not so sure, but your note is very interesting and shows how sadly divided the USA really has become. Thanks. CG
Mish – the EU is preparing a Tax Blacklist and a chance the US and UK will be on it. It will be used to beat up those they don’t like. Strangely, Luxembourg not mentioned – strange that?
http://www.euractiv.com/section/euro-finance/interview/trumps-us-could-be-tax-haven-blacklisted-says-tax-commissioner/
Now – why does it matter?
US – if it wants to repatriate multi-national foreign earnings had better move fast imho else US tax income could be stolen by EU – just like Apple.
Now – lmho – Tax income – stolen?!? No I think not. It is not strange at all that Lux was not mentioned. Now – lmho. Grow up.
Lux not mentioned because of Junker. Look what he has done with Amazons etc.
Once tax is paid it’s paid. When claimed back retrospectively isn’t that theft?
Look at Apple in Ireland.
There are more Apples in the barrel.
Now you – WAKE UP!
Legally no it is not. Wide awake.
Supposed not when you can change the laws to suit. Contract is a contract where I come from. Contracted tax rates are contracted tax rates. Deals in Ireland are deals in Ireland. Guess that’s not so where you are?
Mish,
Re: Bretton Woods. By 1966, foreign central banks already had more dollars than the US had gold reserves. And by 1971, inflation was running at 6.5%.
So please consider that having a gold standard does not create honesty.
Correct, it creates higher gold prices, which are important if you own and sell gold. It does nothing monetarily, except add a ‘gold valuation’ bureaucracy that calculates the ‘true value’ of gold in relation to everything else – kind of like what happens automatically now with currency pairs.
‘at a cost of trillions of dollars, better spent at home.’
Mish, we would be better off if the government never spent the money at all.
Michael Moore actually understood what the issue was and laments that the Democratic establishment did not. Unfortunately, he retains his left-wing socialist agenda which he thinks is the solution. It is not because it involves more totalitarian government control of everything. The solution is free markets and a government that has been placed on a starvation diet.
Glad you also got the point. He understood the problem. That’s what is most important.
If he has ultra liberal, left wing ideas, OK by me. I don’t have them, except in maybe a couple of instances where they offset my right of Attila the Hun opinions.
It takes all kinds to make an economy, or a decent civilization.
These protests are just the start. Trump is going to make Jamie Dimon his Treasury Secretary so anyone foolish enough to think that the big banks don’t control Trump is an idiot. All the morons who voted for Trump thinking he is going to wave his magic wand and bring back their jobs also believe in the tooth fairy. When they wake up, America will be in the midst of a complete meltdown that only a military dictatorship will crush. ADIOS USA!
Absolutely spot on Billy.
Getting a few basics right is all that needs to be done and people do the rest.
Going beyond the basics that need to be right is where Governments trip themselves up.
Less is more.
Jamie Dimon?
Please. Obama wanted to make him Sec of Treas but he turned him down. Dimon has REPEATEDLY said he does not want to be Sec of Treas. His current pay much better.
The Donald will be taking a huge pay cut soon.
What will Mish have to say when he sees Dick Cheney resurrected as secretary of defense? He who laughs last laughs best and boy am I going to laugh.
I AM READING HOBBES THE LEVIATHAN
Solutions
End fractional reserve lending.
Return to a gold standard.
1) The ‘money creation’ effect of fractional reserve banking is an accounting anomaly, not a conspiracy. There’s no way on earth to stop it unless you go into a cash economy and prevent anyone who receives borrowed funds from ever depositing them. Why do people stay so confused about this? It’s as obvious as dirt.
2) A gold standard is meaningless unless you own gold, in which case it is talking one’s book. All a gold standard would do is create an odd monetary denominator that would be mathematically eliminated when applied as a numerator in a different relationship, putting the economy exactly the same as if there were no gold standard.
3) I heard the Michael Moore tape. He got it perfectly. He spoke about how the politicians and people at the top level economically were screwing everyone over and that’s why Trump won. They didn’t get it and this was a wake up call for them. He was speaking to Trump voters in Michigan or Ohio, I believe. They say quietly. Most were nodding in agreement.
Ever notice that politicians love the electoral college unless they lose. This is not a democracy but an elected republic. The electoral college is brilliant, why? Large cities and states cannot run the country just because hey have more population count. The founding fathers were smart. Hillary took the big cities and think the rest of the country should not count. If the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary won nothing would be said. Sore losers is all they are. Personally I did not care who won but preferred Trump because Hillary was and is a criminal that got a by from this administration and I would not vote for her. I worked in the intel field for 10 years and had the highest clearance available at the time and would have been court martialed for what she did. I know a commander got in trouble for just typing on a non secure PC system for an exercise that was a war game.
Personally large populated states should not run this country. Every time a dem has lost , they cry the electoral college sucks. When they win nothing changes.
The biggest problem in America is our media and internet sites promoted Hillary and demonized Trump and the people are tired of it to be honest. Sanders would have won the election most likely and blame the DNC for screwing him just like the RNC screwing Ron Paul last election cycle. Being anointed is a joke with these parties. If you really want to lay blame, blame the crooked party system that screws those running for president. Sanders had the popular vote from his party but was not Hillary so he got screwed and then got paid off to shut up. By the way he is not an independent again just like Paul.
If Hillary had won I would not have burned and looted business nor cried about the outcome. People really need to grow up and stop listening to TV and all the pundits!!!!!
I understand the reason and history behind the Electoral College, but the ‘safe-guarding’ of the small states has had the reverse effect of subverting the popular will and disenfranchising the large states. What you end up with is the tyranny of the minority. Might as well just go back to having a king, which isn’t too far away at this point. Even if the Electoral College is abandoned, small states will still get the protection of equal representation in the Senate, which in and of itself is also unfair, but fine, they can have that (for now). At the very least, however, the imbalance in the system with regard to the Presidential election defies rationalization. The fairest system is self-evident: One man one vote.
“the fairest system is self-evident: one man one vote”?
again, easy peasy.
let’s have a constitutional convention per Article II, Section 1, Clause 3,
“whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states”
and put the electoral college (Article II, Section 1, Clause 3)
(www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/80/electoral-college)
on the table, and at which any other new clauses may be proposed as amendments and any or all existing clauses can be subject to amendment, then see which manage to garner the necessary 3/4s approval per Article V:
“when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress”
Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
IT IS A SHAME LEFTISTS PEOPLE IN THE USA REFUSE TO RESPECT THE ELECTION VERDICT IE THEY LOST SAME AS BREXIT THEY ARE RIOTING DEMONSTRATING AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION TO LOOT IT IS ALWAYS THE SAME LAZY PEOPLE IT IS THE SAME IN EUROPE ESPECIALLY IN FRENCH SUBURBS BUT EVERY WEEK END BECAUSE OF OUR LAXIST JUSTICE AND POLITICIANS BETRAYALS
ON FRENCH TV IT IS ONLY ONE SIDED BIASED PROPAGANDA AGAINST TRUMP BECAUSE OF SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT RIGGED MEDIA BUT THE GOVERNMENT REPRESENTS NOT MORE THAN 20 PERCENT OF THE ELECTORATE
THEY ARE LYING ON UNEMPLOYMENT STATISTICS IN EUROPE AS THEIR GOAL IS TO REPLACE THE CURRENT POPULATION BY REFUGGEES THAT ARE IMMIGRANTS WHO WILL TAKE OUR JOBS AND HOUSING AND SOCIAL WELFARE
ALTHOUGH WE HAVE MILLIONS OF DEBT SURGING …
Fix your keyboard, Stephane.
Will someone PLEASE remove the caps lock button from Stephane’s PC!
Maybe it is jammed !
““HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period.”
Hillary did not win a majority of the popular vote. A majority did not prefer Hillary, over Trump. Hillary got about 47.5% of the vote.
A majority of voters did not want Hillary.
True … and she only beat Trump by the narrowest of margins in popular vote.
DESPITE
HRC spending twice what Trump did … and saying that Trump had a poor ground game would be an overstatement. I’m not sure he even had a ground game … as traditional Republicans abandoned him … along with their get out the vote drives. HRC, otoh, had the traditional Liberal ground game of knocking on doors, bussing people to vote, etc.
If DJT had even a modicum of support from Republican Establishment he would have surpassed HRC in popular vote …. EASILY.
Leftists actually hate democracy. In California,when they have lost ballot initiatives, the first thing they do is run to court to block the will of the people, who democratically passed it.
Wow – what a concept – a World gold standard. Everyone used currency with the same value, fixed by their relationship with gold.
That would make the World a bigger version of the EuroZone.
Unless you tossed universal Globalization into the equation. Then, having One World Order to keep everything even, it could work. No Greeces or Italys or South Europe to mess things up with full universal Globalization added in. The EU would make an excellent prototype for this. Great idea.
The Librtarian’s wet dream.
More than a decade ago I calculated that an extreme Norwegian election would require 35% of the votes to form an majority government in Norway. At first I though this were bad, but looking at the map and the creation of real values I backed off.
Should every one get a vote? Living off welfare, living off the state? Who will you vote for? And it is only a matter of time before the real wealth creators are in the minors.
There is something to be said for voting on the basis of some qualification to vote.
What that qualification should be is them material of an interesting debate.
Certainly limiting to the employed wouldn’t necessarily be fair nor excluding those on a social welfare program but using some criteria needn’t be an outlandish thing to do.
We already have age as a qualifier.
I think the founding fathers had it right. White, male, property owners only. And by property, we should mean estates. Not some crapshack on a quarter acre lot. Everybody works in some way. Working is not a qualifier.
You people really are remarkable are you not? Slavery OK for you too? I guess so!
My fear is that the next crash will be blamed on Trump and then, combining the “clueless indicator” of the recent popular vote count, plus the abject ignorance of most of the electorate on economic topics, the next President will be even further to the left than Hillary. As much as they love to claim that Trump is a Hitler, the Nazis were National Socialists and an extreme example of statists far more similar to Dem goals than to those of fiscal conservatives.
Absolutely.
Though very powerful I don’t think TPTB control everything. But they are the masters of making lemonade out of lemons. A Trump presidency will prove very useful as the illusion of everything fine and improving getting harder to pull off. Letting the skeletons out of the closet now will pave the way for The Establishment to take over again in 2020 … with message of “See what you get for letting a Populist become POTUS? …. all is forgiven … The Establishment will take “care” of you.
@Winston, yes i think the same. We know elites wants currency reset. They will crash the financial system to achive their goals, world government, world currency, (no cash permited, just easybprintable electronic numbers, so world population can baically work for bothing…) and Trump will be perfect for this. I can already see MSM yelling: ‘because you vote for Trump’.
Mish, i agree with you.
BRILLIANT ANALYSIS MISH THANKS FOR PUTTING IT TOGETHER
If the two candidate were the most hated in American history, then the vote has been mostly thought as a vote “against”, not a vote “for”. The corretto result is not that Clinton won more votes than the opponent, the reality is that the total number of the voters not liking here is given by the sum of who did not vote for her (Trump plus non voters). She delivered victory to Trump when any other candidate would have won on him. In four years time reality will be changed again.
I did not hear Hillary complain when she used the electoral votes to box Bernie out of the primary vote.