It’s amusing watching a parade of fools promoting recounts that have zero chance of success.
This isn’t Florida where Bush’s margin of victory was a questionable 537 votes and dangling chads were not counted.
The electoral college total stands 306 to 232. To pull this out, recounts would have to prevail in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.
That’s a margin of votes of 107,000 votes, not 537.
“This recount is just a way for Jill Stein, who received less than one percent of the vote overall and wasn’t even on the ballot in many states, to fill her coffers with money, most of which she will never even spend on this ridiculous recount,” Trump said. “This is a scam by the Green Party for an election that has already been conceded, and the results of this election should be respected instead of being challenged and abused, which is exactly what Jill Stein is doing.”
Clinton to Join Recount that Trump Calls ‘Scam’
CNN reports Clinton to Join Recount that Trump Calls ‘Scam’.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign said Saturday it will take part in efforts to push for recounts in several key states, joining with Green Party candidate Jill Stein, who has raised millions of dollars to have votes counted again in Wisconsin.
But, in a post on Medium, Marc Elias, the campaign’s counsel, said the campaign’s own investigation has not uncovered any evidence of hacking of voting systems.
Elias said concerns about Russia’s Interference in the election continue to raise concerns.
“This election cycle was unique in the degree of foreign interference witnessed throughout the campaign: the U.S. government concluded that Russian state actors were behind the hacks of the Democratic National Committee and the personal email accounts of Hillary for America campaign officials, and just yesterday, the Washington Post reported that the Russian government was behind much of the “fake news” propaganda that circulated online in the closing weeks of the election,” he wrote.
Preposterous Allegations
For starters, allegations of Russian interference are preposterous.
If democrats want to blame someone, they should look in the mirror. Quite possibly, Democrats voted for the only person Trump could beat. That’s how unpopular Hillary is.
There is no way Hillary will come up with 107,000 votes. It’s a fool’s mission at best to donate to the cause. And the irony of it all ….
Trump Won Fair and Square
Michael Moore and his ilk are claiming Hillary won.
You cannot change the rules of the game after the game is over.
There are valid reasons to not hold elections based on popular vote. The founders of the constitution realized that.
Regardless, that will never change. Small states will not go along. Finally, this allegation of Russia interference is nothing but a McCarthy witch hunt packed into tabloid clickbait.
For details, please see Washington Post Thoroughly Discredits Itself With McCarthy-Style Smear Campaign Against ZeroHedge, Naked Capitalism, Truth-Out 200+ Others
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
My mother (who I love unconditionally) is Hillary fan. That is because she is from Arkansas and a long time Democrat. She is 84 and apparently ignorance is bliss.
The liberals will continue to call for recounts and an over haul of the electoral college. They can hide in their safe spaces.
Trump is the president, there are no hanging chads. I only pray that late January he cuts all federal funding for Sanctuary States. I live in California and I would love to see the Liberal mafia here squirm.
Ha!
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Robert Reich
California versus Trumpland
Monday, November 21, 2016
California is now the capital of liberal America. Along with its neighbors Oregon and Washington, it will be a nation within the nation starting in January when the federal government goes dark.
In sharp contrast to much of the rest of the nation, Californians preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump by a 2-to-1 margin. They also voted to extend a state tax surcharge on the wealthy, and adopt local housing and transportation measures along with a slew of local tax increases and bond proposals.
In other words, California is the opposite of Trumpland.
The differences go even deeper. For years, conservatives have been saying that a healthy economy depends on low taxes, few regulations, and low wages.
Are conservatives right? At the one end of the scale are Kansas and Texas, with among the nation’s lowest taxes, least regulations, and lowest wages.
At the other end is California, with among the nation’s highest taxes, especially on the wealthy; toughest regulations, particularly when it comes to the environment; most ambitious healthcare system, that insures more than 12 million poor Californians, in partnership with Medicaid; and high wages.
So according to conservative doctrine, Kansas and Texas ought to be booming, and California ought to be in the pits.
Actually, it’s just the opposite.
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http://robertreich.org/post/153488182530
Yeah, pretty funny. Reich is a really bright one. If you compare the real median incomes of states (i.e., median family income adjusted for the cost of living), California is at nearly the bottom, just beating NY and Hawaii. Not surprisingly, those states “enjoy” high levels of income inequality as well. Texas and Kansas rank considerably better on both counts — in other words, higher standards of living.
Reich is about as trustworthy as Krugman. But, hey, it sells books!
Hot damm! YOU sound plenty smart there Jethro. You should maybe write your own columns like Reich! Or maybe publish a few books (he’s done 14 so far). And how many TV appearances have you made to discuss labor, statistics and the economy? [lol]
So if you don’t like the facts, attack the source. DR is under no obligation to become a published/televised quasi-celebrity to disclose some truthful reasoning. Back under your bridge, troll.
The only states with more net migrations out of their states is IL and NY. Most of the uber wealthy in Cali have residents outside of the state to avoid the business killing taxes. CALPERS is doomed, like the other govt pensions – Chicago and Dallas are current examples. Luckily, we only have about 16-20 years before Cali sucedes and hopefully takes all the Socialist with them. Maybe they can convince Raul Castro to come run the joint.
I presumed Joe’s comment was sarcasm. Obviously the fact that Reich is telling people what they want to hear has no bearing on whether Reich is right, only on whether Reich is profitable.
So, if we cut off the 11% of ALL federal spending that goes to California, what will THAT do? Love how California claims to be this wonderful economic machine, but meanwhile sucks in 11% of all federal spending.
Oops! Since California has 12% of the USA population, then we are shortchanging ourselves. We SHOULD be taking 12% of all Federal spending! [lol]
@Firstname Lastname – My point was that there are plenty of supposed geniuses on internet who toss out some out-of-context bit of an article they read somewhere, without understanding what they posted or even if it is germane.
michael
On the California ballot was there even a Republican candidate in the race for the US Senate to replace Sen. Boxer?
How badly would you guess voter turnout would be if the only choice for Senate was between two Democrats?
ROFLMAO Michael!!!!!!!!!!!!
I live in Arkansas and even this state voted for Trump in the end. Actually this is the first time since the founding of the state that we have a republican congress and governor at the state level.
My yellowdog friends are pissed. I moved here in 1992 and the state is affordable and many times forgotten because of all the rednecks, but the state offers many opportunities for those retired.
You mean they should get over it in the same way the TEA party demonstrators did for eight years? The same way the Birthers did for eight years? The same way President Obama won with over 50% of the vote, twice and was never allowed to promote his policies? Those ways?
You mean in the same manner as the TEA party demonstrators for eight years? In the same manner as the Birthers for eight years? President Obama won with over 50% of the vote, twice, but was denied a mandate that Trump is claiming despite losing the popular vote. You mean that way Mish?
You are referring to those tea party people that shut down highways and roughed up Obama supporters? Oh wait. That never happened. Regarding the biirther movement that Sidney blumenthal, a Clinton crony , they have never been beyond a tiny fringe.
Obama was denied a mandate?
He had a filibuster proof senate and a super majority in the house.
He could have passed any law he wanted without one Republican vote.
And he did.
And we got obamacare.
Why are you complaining?
Did you miss the title of this piece: “…Get Over It”???
Why doesn’t the President have to submit a birth certificate? I had to when I joined the Navy.
Hillary did NOT really win the popular vote:
•Investigation of voter fraud and election fraud, are critically needed
•At least 7-million votes for Hillary involved fraud
•More than 3-million dead people voted
•More than 3-million Il-legal immigrants voted
•Many people voted more than once
•Requiring Photo ID for voting would greatly reduce voter fraud
•The Democrat Party fights against photo ID for voting, because voter fraud is the life-blood of the Democrat Party
http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/
These people are NEO-MARXISTS and the sooner everyone realizes this, the better.
To them, the ends ALWAYS justify the means.
When you lose, you keep re-counting until you win, or you just change the rules.
These people want control of EVERYTHING and are EXTREMELY dangerous.
“This election cycle was unique in the degree of foreign interference witnessed throughout the campaign”
Clinton Pay for Play foreign contributions to the Clinton Foundation.
Many liberals fail to understand that the popular vote is simply an artifact of the election. It has no bearing on and does not indicate anything contrary to the result. Trump and the Republicans have a mandate because of the sweep in the House, Senate and electoral college.
Hillary did NOT really win the popular vote:
•Investigation of voter fraud and election fraud, are critically needed
•At least 7-million votes for Hillary involved fraud
•More than 3-million dead people voted
•More than 3-million Il-legal immigrants voted
•Many people voted more than once
•Requiring Photo ID for voting would greatly reduce voter fraud
•The Democrat Party fights against photo ID for voting, because voter fraud is the life-blood of the Democrat Party
http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/
Trump DID win the popular vote.
In every state he needed to get over 270 electoral votes.
This recount effort is great.
The democrat tears are delicious.
And they are burning up what is left of their post election funds.
Clinton Foundation donations have already plunged 95%.
There will be no money for 2018…
I am also wondering if the election recount effort might expose the massive amounts of illegals and dead voting democrat….
A delicious Pandora’s box.
The Clintons’ are very intelligent people. They will shortly tack the sails and whore out Chelsea as the great left hope… Keep the register goin ching-a-ling-a-ling.
The laughable part is that Hillary and her sycophant supporters practically demanded Trump to swear on a stack of bibles that he would accept the final outcome of the election tallies the days following Nov 08. Now trailing by 74 electoral votes they’re squealing like a sounder of stuck hogs.
Trump has played way too “nice” in the month following his election. If Hillary wants to play hardball – then it’s time for Trump to go Special Prosecutor hunting and prioritize his or her appointment. You just can’t play “nice” with these liberal vermin who punch below the belt.
Time for Donald to take off his damn gloves. We didn’t vote a milquetoast into office. Give us what we voted for!!!!
Trump’s gloves are off
He just does things in an unpredictable way that goes unnoticed yet extremely effective
There is no fair and square in politics, especially as practiced by today’s Democrats. The will do anything to get power legal or not.
They likely have people right now writing names from gravestones on ballots in the three states.
Any, and I mean ANY claim of a foreign government interference in an election is very, very dangerous in a diplomatic and can easily trigger a war. If such a claim is true, you’d better present irrefutable evidence about such a strong claim, or you better just simply get over it. Unless, of course, it is war that you want.
The fact that Trump won per the rules is not enough for Hillary supporters (along with non-Trump/non-Hillary supporters) to attempt to over-turn the election.
That is just the way it is in this fractured election. Where the votes counted, they voted change while holding their nose. Where the votes did not count (California and New York for example where the GOTV created excess Hillary votes in excess of what was needed to carry the state) Hillary got the popular vote which DOES NOT MATTER.
The plain fact is NO ONE VOTES FOR PRESIDENT NOR VICE PRESIDENT BUT ONLY FOR A SLATE OF ELECTORS.
Well, Fly-over country won and the cities on the coasts lost.
I care not. Let those who know not the Constitution destroy it and we will crawl out of the ashes to a new world. The Constitution has been marginalized for over a century and is due to be replaced by a new Civil War. Over 50% of the electorate is unhappy and unwilling to seek compromise.
Those who wish for the continuation of a Federal Dictatorship have yet another shot, the rest of us can only HUNKER DOWN and hope.
PS: Both the Democratic and Republican parties are SOCIALIST but is Bernie too old to run in 2020? Even Trump is Socialist. We collectively do not know what that means as we demand our Social Security checks.
This move by the democrats is just another unconscious symptom of our disintegrative tendency to fight instead of integrate. It’s obvious if you just look at it without immediately taking a partisan side. This is the state of our politics and economics.
Swinging back and forth between rigid Liberal idiocy and rigid conservative idiocy will result in nothing but surprise and frustration at continual failure to create a truly stable economy. A momentary and apparent recovery could probably occur with a president of either party, but the seeds of incompleteness and inclusion of half truths on both or either sides will never get to that goal consciously and hence much more quickly. Learn the rules of integration and continually practice them….and a beautiful and prosperous future awaits us.
“Swinging back and forth between rigid Liberal idiocy and rigid conservative idiocy will result in nothing but surprise and frustration at continual failure to create a truly stable economy.”
No, that’s just the icing (fiscal policy) on the cake. The cake, the system which allows that fiscal policy, is the financial system and associated regulations which require major changes and actual enforcement. This will never occur without a complete collapse of the system because the appointed “watchmen” are owned by those they are supposed to be watching and all suffer from the Keynesian Delusion.
@Winston,
Think Trumpism applied to the financial and banking system
Desperate men doing desperate things. The problem they have now is; how do you induce your machine politicians
To synthesize votes by committing criminal fraud when the chances of success are near zero and chances of getting caught are near 100%. Ain’t gonna happen. Stick a fork in it. Election is over. Get used to it. Time for voter fraud has passed.
So, if we acknowledge that the recount is pointless, the riots are pointless, the constant denigrations are pointless, that allegations of “fake media” are pointless, then we must admit that either they are all desperate fools, OR maybe it’s not pointless, that maybe it’s part of a larger plan….an assemblage of many pointless actions that taken together create enough chaos, enough violence, to provide EXACTLY the excuse they need.
Most people here are missing the point (not you).
They don’t need to come up with more votes for Hillary or less votes for Trump. They just need to show Russian interference in the election. At that point, all results everywhere are suspect and the election becomes null and void. Now everything makes sense, since we’ve been told all along the Russians are working for Trump using fake news, etc.
The electors are then free to vote however they want. At that point, Clinton probably wins.
The constant hammering as to the invalidity of the election, NOT for legal grounds, but for political organizing large disruptive protests that simulate a crisis. They will use Russians or the FBI or ANYTING that might reinforce the perception they are pushing, and it is not futility. This is an agenda that is to be served. Handicap Trump to make his presidency ineffectual at the least, and stop it before it happens, at best.
Trump’s greatest strength is in his popular support. It is the thing he can use to pressure his opponents. If they can destroy that, they can stop most of his agenda, AND IF they can gather enough steam to actually allow progressives still in power to stop his being sworn in as president, they will do so without blinking.
All they need is to ramp those algos downward with social disruption and a little tickle from Soros and a few other super wealthy progressive players.
I do love the irony of it all. Liberals claimed the elections weren’t rigged, but now that their city vote rigging didn’t prevail, they are crying foul. They lost in the house and senate too, but I guess they forgot to check that.
Hillary has always accused Trump of doing what she does–from charity fraud, income tax evasion, not giving to vets, being pro war, Putin pandering (remember when her fund got a bunch of Russian money) . lower wages for women etc.
It is so delightfully twisted that now she is bitching about vote rigging— and a woman who cost her some votes is joining in with her.. I knew she would be a sore loser, though.
Hillary did NOT really win the popular vote:
•Investigation of voter fraud and election fraud, are critically needed
•At least 7-million votes for Hillary involved fraud
•More than 3-million dead people voted
•More than 3-million Il-legal immigrants voted
•Many people voted more than once
•Requiring Photo ID for voting would greatly reduce voter fraud
•The Democrat Party fights against photo ID for voting, because voter fraud is the life-blood of the Democrat Party
http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/
Mish, your initial comment was “Trump won fair and square. Get over it.” What you have failed to realize is that those people can’t or don’t read. They are the type of people that are making a fuss in Chicago and when the reporter asked “Did you vote?” The answer was “No.” They are so shallow and without real conscience thought, one has to wonder why we should spend any time thinking about them. Tell me what do you now think about Gold.
“Popular Vote”
Not too sure about that one after all 3 million non citizens voted in the 2016 Presidential race
Which is currently under investigation
I do wonder who those 3 million voted for? 😉
Jill “Stein” (aka Stain), raised 5.4 million for this recount over the span of what, a week? If I recall correctly she only raised half that for her entire presidential campaign. First, she campaigns for herself, then about a week before the election, she throws support against Clinton, and now she want’s a recount (for Clinton). Who the hell would throw money at a recount effort for a psychotic woman who is constantly changing her stance? Do I smell some Clinton foundation money here? Notice all the question marks I posed? It’s because I can’t see wasting my time with the issue.
There is nothing amusing about this election or its outcome.
It’s a tragedy even if Trump does well. The ends did not just the means. The authoritarian demagoguery wounded us per se . Once blessed by Americans, it will not be easily resisted in the future. Even if Trump does not turn out to be fundamentally un-American, as I still fear he will, he is responsible for opening the door to one who will be. The guttering of American political discourse has not been amusing.
Love the market rally, however. I’ll donate some of my Wall- Street -Loves Trump gains to Cato
Tonight, I suggest enjoying a strong Cuba libre as we contemplate strongmen newly come and strongmen newly departed.
I grew up in a cult that was lead by a man very similar in his ego and narcicism to Trump. That man became my father in law. I know this type of man pretty well. I donated to the recount and would do so again gladly. A recount is completely legal and set up for a reason. It’s Stein’s money… let her spend it how she wants. What’s everybody afraid of? Personally, any chance to keep that man out of office is worth taking.
with all due respect, Stein says she is going to spend it one way and then talks about diverting the money. I saw that personally with hurricane donations to the Red Cross. The Clinton Foundation does the same thing also.
She really shouldn’t be free to spend it how she wants, and people are clueless to donate to a person who would do that. You might as well throw your money out the car window when you are driving. I guess liberals are so used to seeing the money diverted that it is just business as usual.
I do think that Stein is doing Hillary’s bidding because I knew that Hillary would be a very sore loser, and she did not disappoint. She wouldn’t even come out and thank her volunteers on election night.
I read the disclaimer before I donated to the recount. I am very aware that this could be a waste of money, or the money could go to other things. You say she “really shouldn’t be free to spend it how she wants”? Within the law, I see no problem with her spending it how she wants. Are you implying that this recount is immoral or unethical? Thank you for also calling me “clueless”, and doing so with “all due respect”….
I wish Trump the best with his presidency and hope he is successful. I have serious doubts, based on his behavior, that he is capable of such a thing. I am prepared and hopeful to be wrong.
There is a great deal of cognitive bias on both sides of this election. People have already staked a claim on their opinion being right without any honest consideration to the possibility of being wrong. That is a very dangerous place to be. I expect Trump to be just as full of BS as Clinton. I see no convincing evidence to convince me otherwise, yet.
You are supporting destruction. There are no credible voices that believe any fraud occurred…not at least from the Trump side. There IS massive evidence that illegals and dead people voted for Hillary. The ONLY reason or this is to subvert the election results, further disparagement of Trump with NO evidence.
Sorry you were forced under the tyranny of your cult to actually marry his offspring.
madashellowell: If the recount exposes fraud then I would say the recount was well worth it, even if there is no change in the results. In fact, if there is “massive evidence” of fraud then I would expect every concerned citizen to want to take part in this recount to attempt to root it out. My personal hope is that a recount pushes the election in favor of Clinton. I understand that is extremely extremely unlikely. From what I understand, no state is required to perform the recount.
By the way, I was not forced to marry my wife and she is a wonderful woman. No need to be insulting…sheesh
The left broadly claimed that to question the democratic process was antithetical to our nation’s principles….the peaceful transition of power. Do you honestly think Hillary actually won? It is nothing BUT destructive to our society to constantly imply our president is somehow fraudulent, especially when Michigan just now finished a very thorough count of votes. If this was something as simple to realize as producing a birth certificate, then it might be understandable, but this recount will take weeks if not longer, all while putting the country through even more divisive stress. NOTHING GOOD WILL COME FEOM THIS and I think you know that.
. Families are a complicated mess, just like the rest of the world. It is far too easy to generalize and judge. Apologies.
If you are truly interested in exposing fraud, you should focus in Chicago and Detroit where voting irregularities have been alleged to be prevalent. Seriously, I don’t believe you or any Democrat are serious about voting fraud. You are trying to steal the election. Btw, my state did just that throwing the governorship to a Democrat following a ‘recount’ effort many years ago.
This recount circus is just delicious. We have:
A candidate hardly anyone voted for, who could not raise campaign money, now wanting a recount and getting millions? Even raising the estimate of the amount needed, not for recount fees but for “legal expenses”. What a laugh that some people take this seriously.
Michigan only used paper ballots, but the fraudsters are saying they were “hacked”? And by RUSSIANS no less? No evidence, but they are “suspicious”! It’s a clown show.
This is the greatest example yet of democrat political frauds taking advantage of their brain-dead followers. Keep it up – I’m lovin’ it! What a scam.
This is a helpful flowchart to assist snowflakes, swamp rats and sanctuary dwellers to understand who is their new president:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/11/23/20161126_donald.jpg
[ROFLOL] If the recounts don’t work, then we still have this in the quiver. It ain’t over till it’s over folks.
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Editor-In-Chief, ThinkProgress
11/24/2016
Electoral College must reject Trump unless he sells his business, top lawyers for Bush and Obama say
Members of the Electoral College should not make Donald Trump the next president unless he sells his companies and puts the proceeds in a blind trust, according to the top ethics lawyers for the last two presidents.
Richard Painter, Chief Ethics Counsel for George W. Bush, and Norman Eisen, Chief Ethics Counsel for Barack Obama, believe that if Trump continues to retain ownership over his sprawling business interests by the time the electors meet on December 19, they should reject Trump.
In an email to ThinkProgress, Eisen explained that “the founders did not want any foreign payments to the president. Period.” This principle is enshrined in Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution, which bars office holders from accepting “any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.”
Debates and other proceedings of the Convention of Virginia : convened at Richmond, on Monday the second day of June, 1788, for the purpose of deliberating on the Constitution
This provision was specifically created to prevent the President, most of all, from being corrupted by foreign influences.
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https://thinkprogress.org/electoral-college-trump-top-lawyers-8a8b6e0ca916#.w8c0mqk9q
Classic.
Dubya (a failed businessman many times over) and Obama (a misfit community organizer) are desperately flinging manure at the wall hoping a little sticks. The last thing they want in office is a successful businessman who turned a profit and might actually save the nation from financial Armageddon. They prefer another worthless bureaucrat.
Why didn’t Dubya and Obama have their armies of lawyers invoke Article 1, Section 9 when SOS Hillary was accumulating millions in payoffs from Saudi, Qatar and other “foreign states” in the Clinton Foundation? lol.
If this ever happened to slip though the courtroom cracks and actually landed before a judge he’d slap it to the moon.
The sore loser butthurt is comical.
You can bet that all the Pub establishment types who were against Trump during the campaign are working OT behind the scenes to convince Electoral College delegates to bounce Trump. This is why trump is staying on his best behavior until the dust clears. If the EC doesn’t stop Trump, then the crap will start hitting the fan on Jan 20, 2017.
The butthurt Hillary lemmings are a real knee-slapper.
Once all the Trump election buster scams fall flat on their face they’ll start selling Trump voodoo dolls complete with pins. lol.
Hey! Now that is a prime idea! Trump voodoo dolls. I am going to look into that.
Yes. And yet absolutely nothing happened to Clinton after it was widely known that the Chinese government contributed large sums to his campaign. He in turn allowed the Loral missile technology transfer to go through to them, vastly improving their missile program. And once again, Bubba the media darling skated. Poor Hilary just wants the system to allow her to do the same.
Otherwise IT’S JUST NOT FAIR!
So many fearful people willing to give away their remain liberties for the perception of just a tiny bit more security.
Rather than building a society so legally bound by law as to prevent ANY liberty, how about we simply demand transparency and accountability? If we simply prosecuted those caught, it might go a long way towards prevention. As is, they have made the laws so complex that no one with means seems to ever be held to account.
How about we demand transparency from Trump and his companies and then simply punish any transgressions?
Promoting recounts — particularly when the recounts are funded by other people’s money — isn’t foolish at all.
First of all, don’t be surprised if a bunch of ballots are “found” in urban areas, where progressives seem to have trouble voting properly. (Consider Washington’s 2004 gubernatorial election, though admittedly that was an extraordinarily close race.) Even if the newly discovered votes aren’t enough to get Hillary across the line, it will fuel countless court cases (no doubt with racism and disenfranchisement being major themes) and of course breathless conspiratorial coverage by the media. This feeds another goal: to stoke further division in our country and decrease the perceived legitimacy of Trump’s presidency.
No, the recounts are a no-lose proposition, at least if you’re not the muppet who actually contributed money.
Some Sunday fun somewhat related to fake news:
1. Watch this short CNN video showing putin is really evil -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-279bO4cWgc
2. Watch the (still short) original video with one more sentence showing putin is a fun guy after all -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btLHVYoYnXI
Either way, half the voters were going to be unhappy. But I think the Political Propagandists like the WaPo have an agenda very much out of Lenin’s 1917 Bolshevik playbook and not unlike the Victoria Nuland playbook for overthrowing the elected government of Ukraine. It is sinister and evil. The only thing I do not understand is why people who hate Russia so much and still think of it as the Soviet Union would want to install a Soviet-style regime from California to Maine. But I can see that what the WaPo et al. are doing is establishing a litany of grievances to build their movement and take to the streets to try to get what they cannot get without force and violence.
I’ve lived in NYC, Chicago, and D.C., and between the three, I knew one person that had a gun.
Then I lived in Texas.
Me thinketh, it would not be very good to suggest violence. Throwing bottles of organic juice and brandishing your sushi chop sticks are not going to cut it.
Regardless of who initiates violence, anyone who actually prevails without the consent and assistance from government will be stomped upon. Do not be surprised if we see blue helmets invading our country is any substantial violence breaks out. The useful idiots will require defense.
I highly doubt there will be any violence. Americans are now too fat. Maybe a Twitter War. Or a War of Fat People creating a blockade of the local fast food restaurants using their electric wheelchairs.
It will be the young, the freshly indoctrinated, that have been “unspoiled” by reality living, who will be in the streets burning and rioting, and many black and Hispanic who have grown up with violence and find it “normal”.
It doesn’t take a lot of them, only enough to fill the lens, enough to create the perception that can levered to create “other” actions, such as a steep market decline. Even gamblers will run for cover when the casino is on fire.
This is a construct…bits and pieces. Doubt reinforced from multiple side simultaneously. Every battle, every war is not about absolute destruction, it is about destroying the will to resist. It’s psychological warfare. Trump is about FEAR of losing. Progressivism is about FEAR of winners. For progressives, government is God, an infallible nonhuman construct. The infallible Allah that can only fail by refusing to expel the infidels….the devils…the Trumps.
love the flow chart, CJ!
This retarded sh!t only deepens the divide between people.. and why ? Hillary’s last, desperate grasp for power. The unity of the people be d@mned.. its all about me. When she dies the Prince of Darkness will annoint her governess of his darkest regions. Here’s hoping California does exit.
Mish was right.. Hillary was the only Dem Trump could’ve beaten.
This is NOT Hillary’s grab but that of the progressive movement. Do we really think that IF they wanted to win this election that they would have chosen Hillary as their lead? They have gotten EXACTLY what they wanted…..an illegitimate and dangerous president-elect (by their own definition and promotion) that MUST be prevented from taking office at ALL costs. It is important that they motivate their useful idiot minions to take ACTION with their own hands. They have spent decades indoctrinating these people to believe that ALL means are justifiable to reach their goals and they have been FULLY indoctrinated to believe that Trump is their ULTIMATE threat. Look at these delicate flowers cowering in FEAR of even the slightest “threat”. But they are not afraid to act, they are afraid of public condemnation if they DON’T act. The peer pressure of PC progressive “social media”. This was designed to end up in the streets.
A recount is simply more affirmation (even though NO facts are presented as such) of Trump FRAUD that would justify even MORE public outrage once it fails to render the desired results. It is massively publicized demonstrations that will create the image of crisis, all then required is a market collapse to give rationale for unconstitutional acts to save our constitutional form of government.
The primary bet is that regardless of political feelings, once our financial survival is at risk, we will, as we have largely done thus far, agree to about anything to save it. Just a short time back we agreed to suspend markets to save them, and this is simply a larger version of a proven methodology. The love for Trump will quickly diminish when our retirement savings and small businesses and jobs are at stake.
I have been watching the pieces coming together since Trump’s win. So has Trump. The question is…what will HE do…and WHEN. Now it the time, not after it has happened.
He has to wait until after the electoral college votes. Unfortunately, the neo-progressives know that as well…….
Trump needs to continue to point out that there are forces that CONTINUE to be attempting to steal this election, drawing lines as I have done to illustrate exactly HOW there are doing it. Illumination is the only thing that will drive these cockroaches away. Waiting for PROOF is waiting too late.
I wrote in Bernie Sanders. I did so out of conscience. I thought he would address our economic issues such as reinstating Glass-Steagall and not go back on his word. I could go on but that is not the topic here.
If Hillary wants a recount, I suggest there be a redo of the Democratic primary without stacking the deck with “super delegates” and with an impartial chair and committee of the DNC.
I switched from being a lifelong democrat to an independent when I realized neither party was addressing the needs of this nation such as sound money, reigning in Wall Street and the banks, decreasing our meaningless wars, and making the little guy stronger in the sense of knowledge, abilities, and feeling of useful and purposeful.
“POPULAR VOTE” ?
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state
NO “ID” IS REQUIRED FROM IN 38% OF STATES: California, Washington, Nevada, Wyoming, New Mexico, North Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Maine, Vermont, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Massacusetts, West Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina.
STRICT PHOTO ID REQUIRED IN 16% OF STATES: Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Indiana, Virginia, Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi
The balance of the states have NON STRICT NON PHOTO ID requirements.
Many of us out here in PISS OVER country understand the “PLAN”, if only because it’s been in operation for OVER 50 years.
1) 1965 Immigration Act focused on enabling mass immigration of the POOR, who are immediately recruited for payoffs (welfare system) to insure allegiance to Democrat party, and who work here for less wages then “citizens” which helps the corporatocracy
2) Enable completely uncontrolled southern border and flood the population with MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who are immediately recruited for payoffs (welfare system) to insure allegiance to Democrat party, and who work for lower wages the CITIZENS, which helps the corporatocracy
3) Voter fraud committed by MILLIONS of ILLEGALS who are NOT required to produce VALID PROOF that they are a CITIZEN of this country, and who continue to vote for the DEMOCRAT party to insure their benefits continue, they get to remain here, and they get to keep bringing all their relatives and friends.
All “bank rolled” by, you guessed it, the BANKSTERS and their minions.
Congratulations. YOU WIN…..and LOSE.
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…. I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
Thomas Jefferson
Pennsylvania tried to enact a strict photo ID law but it was ruled illegal by a judge.
There is a milder ID law for first-time voters:
“Voters voting for the first time in their precinct must show ID. The ID can be photo or non-photo ID. This is the only time ID is required.”
http://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElections/OtherServicesEvents/Documents/16430%20DOS%20Everyone%20votes%20booklet%20V9.pdf
“POPULAR VOTE” ?
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state
NO “ID” IS REQUIRED FROM IN 38% OF STATES: California, Washington, Nevada, Wyoming, New Mexico, North Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Maine, Vermont, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Massacusetts, West Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina.
STRICT PHOTO ID REQUIRED IN 16% OF STATES: Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Indiana, Virginia, Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi
The balance of the states have NON STRICT NON PHOTO ID requirements.
Many of us out here in PISS OVER country understand the “PLAN”, if only because it’s been in operation for OVER 50 years.
1) 1965 Immigration Act focused on enabling mass immigration of the POOR, who are immediately recruited for payoffs (welfare system) to insure allegiance to Democrat party, and who work here for less wages then “citizens” which helps the corporatocracy
2) Enable completely uncontrolled southern border and flood the population with MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who are immediately recruited for payoffs (welfare system) to insure allegiance to Democrat party, and who work for lower wages the CITIZENS, which helps the corporatocracy
3) Voter fraud committed by MILLIONS of ILLEGALS who are NOT required to produce VALID PROOF that they are a CITIZEN of this country, and who continue to vote for the DEMOCRAT party to insure their benefits continue, they get to remain here, and they get to keep bringing all their relatives and friends.
All “bank rolled” by, you guessed it, the BANKSTERS and their minions.
Congratulations. YOU WIN…..and LOSE.
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…. I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
Thomas Jefferson
First, I accept the result will not change – however as a computer scientist I have legitimate concerns about the mechanics of the election itself where ever machines are used. I think an audit that includes location and type-of-machine information might have some interesting findings. Nothing that changes this election, but many that help us better elections. If you take the politics out of it (is that possible? not for the “means” unfortunately) the “ends” I think are good. There will be a “537 vote margin” election some time soon where it’s just machine counts, no paper, then what?
As our system is not currently one of laws but of men who decide which laws will be enforced, you would first need a consensus on exactly who should be allowed to vote, which was in large part what this election was about. The very argument about voter IDs and requirements were central to our nation’s argument. How can you have an election OR a recount that has meaning if we as a people can’t even agree as to who’s votes should count?
If you want to do this as a research effort, do it after the inauguration day.
Handcuffs For Hillary! Prison Bait. She is a very Immoral person. Trump won Fair and Square.
I suggest everyone check out the 1824 election. Jackson won the popular votes and receive more electoral votes but lost in the House because no one got a majority of electoral votes. I believe something more sinister is happening. I feel that the Dems are trying to prevent the votes from being certified in the 3 states. They are trying to stall the process in hopes of having Trump come up short of the 270 electoral votes necessary. Without these states he only gets to 260. Nobody gets to 270 and the election goes to the House where each state has 1 vote. The Dems are hoping to steal the election there even though the Repubs have an advantage in the House. They control more states. Just my thoughts.
Yes, the neo-progressives will grasp at any means necessary to foment their revolution. I believe they are playing chess here with no real short term end game. They are flailing about staying relevant to the followers and hoping that something breaks their way, possibly because Trump et al makes a mistake, says something provocative etc. Their goal right now is to just stay in the game and prep for a large protest during Trump’s inauguration that the media will spin on endlessly.
It seems Juppe already conceded despite not all the votes being counted.
Partial results based on half the primaries’ polling stations showed Fillon winning by a wide margin and Juppe conceded,
The french president will be either Fillon or Le Pen.
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Hopefully Le Pen because although Fillon speaks better and more convincingly than Sarkozy about being strict regarding immigration the precedent Sarkozy set was tough talk but no concrete achievements.
Many fear Fillon would be the same.
I this a valid analysis? I haven’t seen this claim anywhere else:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html
November 27, 2016
The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
By Richard Baehr
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time this happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.
If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress.
Is there any validity to this? I haven’t seen this theory anywhere else:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html
November 27, 2016
The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
By Richard Baehr
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time this happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.
If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress.
There is not ONE strategy. They are playing multiple strategies that can have some effectiveness individually and considerably more combined. We are watching this happen real time and it will get considerably more tense and consequential as we approach the inauguration.
Hillary was supposed to win…
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/hitler-hillary-was-supposed-to-win/
If she did not win, change the rules!
IMO, denying Trump now will become dangerous and could lead to civil war. Given the depths to which America is plunging, Trump’s slogan of Making America Great Again seems appropriate.
We need Charlie Munger taking to the podium and doing an encore, telling those guys opposing the election to “Suck it up and Cope”