Trump’s tweets and comments are having a good effect already. An ex-CIA director warns Trump’s Comments Will Lead to ‘Wave’ of Resignations.
Former CIA acting director Michael Morell said President-elect Donald Trump’s rhetoric will undermine the agency by causing a “wave of resignations” and affecting its ability to work with foreign intelligence services.
“First, expect a wave of resignations. Attrition at the C.I.A., which has been remarkably low since Sept. 11, 2001, will skyrocket,” Morell wrote in a New York Times op-ed published Friday.
CIA Worse Than Useless
The CIA is worse than useless. They did not foresee the fall of the Berlin wall, any number of assassinations, Benghazi, 911, or anything else meaningful.
Worse yet, the CIA spied on allies, helped overthrow democratically elected governments in Iran and Ukraine (with disastrous consequences). The CIA was directly involved in the kidnapping and torture of US citizens, frequently not even getting the right person.
CIA Torture
- Guardian: Senate torture report to be kept from public for 12 years after Obama decision
- RT: 10 most shocking facts we found in CIA torture report
- Wikipedia: Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture
From the the first link above.
Barack Obama has agreed to preserve the Senate’s landmark investigation into the CIA’s use of torture after 9/11, but his decision ensures that the document remains out of public view for at least 12 years and probably longer.
The full Senate torture report, which documented brutality by the CIA against at least 119 detained terrorism suspects, will be held out of public view at Obama’s presidential library.
I also strongly encourage you to read ‘A constitutional crisis’: the CIA turns on the Senate
Liars, Torturers, Murderers
The best possible news would be resignation of the entire CIA.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
“A constitutional crisis’: the CIA turns on the Senate” This is a dead link.
I’d sure like to the secret budget they use internally and further hear what the US Gov’t is funding them annually.
Thanks
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Somewhere I read where Trump wants to kick more of the CIA BACK OUT into the ‘field’ and outta’ offices. Like they used to be. That, in itself, might cause a slew of them to retire/leave?
Shutting the place completely down might be a bit drastic – but a thinning of the bureaucratic ranks would never hurt ANY organization in The Swamp.
Intelligence had critical value during WWII, but this cold war relic needs to be dismantled. All they’ve been doing for many decades is justifying their paychecks and pensions.
Go away and good riddance.
A midlevel Senate staffer with whom I have a moderate measure of contact (and confidence) tells me that the hot rumor on the Hill right now is that the actual source of the stolen DNC and/or Podesta information is about to go public in a two step process beginning Monday, Jan 9 in a press conference employing some sort of disguise and finishing Monday, Jan 23 with a full identity revelation. The second step follows the departure of the Obama gang by a few days for obvious reasons. I suspect that a pardon deal with the Trump “folks” is in the works. Apparently this is coordinated with/through Assange who may participate.
Supposedly this person is a US citizen and political insider of some sort.
Frankly, if this comes off as hinted it will fully discredit the entire US intelligence “community” and open the door for DJT to completely restructure and downsize the operations.
It certainly explains the reason that DJT remains absolutely resolute in the matter,
and one can only imagine the total discomfiture of Obama, McCain, Graham and others as DJT is able to call them out as total dupes,
which they are.
It’s the modern version of the old mob protection scheme. They say they will protect us but of course they cause most of the problems that people would need to be protected from. Screw the CIA, FBI, NSA MOUSE. F–k them all out of existence. Then demand each citizen be trained in the use of firearms and open carry at all times.
THEN let the terrorists come.
Those who outsource their security and financial well being to others will end up with neither.
+1000
Most, if not all of the terrorists were created by the US to wage proxy wars against unfriendly govs. ISIS was created to do regime change on Syria. So you get rid of the intelligence people and you stop creating terrorists too.
But I still like the gun idea. I tell all my friends, especially women, they should have a gun and training to protect themselves.
Intell is not developed by the CIA to be honest, in-theatre military develop intell . The CIA, NSA and other agencies develop intell on its citizens. The CIA meddle in foreign government not military. These organizations are the problem. I hope Trump does indeed reign them in and restructure their organizations.
You may see some of their leader retire but on the ground operatives could care less.
Glad you mentioned the CIAs involvement in the overthrow of the Ukraine government. I can mention that to neocons until I’m blue in the face, and they still defend our actions in Western Europe. Not to mention our overt withdrawal from the ABM Treaty, which ruined our previous agreements between Reagan and Gorbachev. Our CIAs support of Georgia in the Russo-Georgia War and attacking Ossetia,,etc..
You are underestimating that organization. I would look at it from the opposite viewpoint that they are very effective. Evil yes, incompetent no.
They have massively lost their competency edge since the cold war. Simply on account of lack of ability to recruit competent people. During the cold war, Very Good and Very Bright people were honored and happy to help the Nation stand up the the Soviet Nuclear threat.
Noone with the plenitude of alternative options available to that class of people, are clamoring to do the same, for an opportunity to abuse some sap at Gitmo, or vindictively mess with some Senator’s email or whatever it is they do these days.
So, predictably, recruitment standards have fallen through the floor. Until what we are left with, is closer to what the Nazis built with SS, a gang of privileged thugs running around sans restraint, than to anything anyone with options would be proud to be a member off. Hence their current behavior.
I get the idea that you aren’t fond of the CIA, Mish.
All the Shah’s Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror
https://www.amazon.com/All-Shahs-Men-American-Middle/dp/1400101069
Book blurb:
Half a century ago, the United States overthrew the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, Mohammad Mossadegh, (as a favor for what is now British Petroleum – W) whose “crime” was nationalizing the country’s oil industry. In a cloak-and-dagger story of spies, saboteurs, and secret agents, Kinzer reveals the involvement of Eisenhower, Churchill, Kermit Roosevelt, and the CIA in Operation Ajax (which cost only $100k worth of bribes IIRC – W) , which restored Mohammad Reza Shah to power. Reza imposed a tyranny that ultimately sparked the Islamic Revolution of 1979, which, in turn, inspired fundamentalists throughout the Muslim world, including the Taliban and terrorists who thrived under its protection. “It is not far-fetched,” Kinzer asserts, “to draw a line from Operation Ajax through the Shah’s repressive regime and the Islamic Revolution to the fireballs that engulfed the World Trade Center in New York.”
It goes back even further.
The US government [Roosevelt, Taft, Wiison] teamed up with revolutionaries to overthrow Tsarist Russia. We all know how well that turned out.
In his April 1917 war speech to congress, Wilson said revolutionaries [who had just destroyed Russia’s monarchy] were America’s “partner.”
Ironically, there was a speech given to congressmen at the DC Capitol in 1857 that advocated the US government overthrow monarchies in Europe via war and revolution. 60 years later, war and revolution destroyed monarchies in Europe.
The CIA was established in 1947 which was what were were talking about here. If we want to go back further:
Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq
https://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805082409
This is why much of the world sees us as hypocrites. Someone hacks and releases the emails revealing political corruption and our pols and the losing side of an election get all bent out of shape. We outright overthrow governments surreptitiously and most Americans never even know or learn about it.
“The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology.” – Michael Parenti, PhD in political science from Yale University, author of 23 books, very much on the left but they can occasionally be correct about some things – even Marx was
Excerpt below from Wilson’s April 1917 war speech… which was given to Congress just weeks after the February revolution destroyed Russia’s almost 1000 year old Christian monarchy. Not only does Wilson overtly lie about Russia… he infers all Americans support the revolution. That February revoluton was continued in October 1917 to its Bolshevik end. In that same speech is Wilson’s famous line about WW1 being the war to make the world safe for democracy. Again… it was the fulfillment of that prophetic 1857 speech to congressmen at the DC Capitol that advocated the US government destroy all the monarchies of Europe [even the British monarchy… but it especially targeted the Russian monarchy] via war and revolution.
” Does not every American feel that assurance has been added to our hope for the future peace of the world by the wonderful and heartening things that have been happening within the last few weeks in Russia? Russia was known by those who knew it best to have been always in fact democratic at heart, in all the vital habits of her thought, in all the intimate relationships of her people that spoke their natural instinct, their habitual attitude towards life. The autocracy that crowned the summit of her political structure, long as it had stood and terrible as was the reality of its power, was not in fact Russian in origin, character, or purpose; and now it has been shaken off and the great, generous Russian people have been added in all their naive majesty and might to the forces that are fighting for freedom in the world, for justice, and for peace. Here is a fit partner for a league of honour. ”
https://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/Wilson's_War_Message_to_Congress
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All this tells you how previous governments HAVEN’T governed.
It’s the same over here.
The bus drivers asleep at the wheel with no real guiding principals outside of getting to the end of term without rocking the boat.
Various departments then go rogue (sec services), or native in the case of the UK Foreign Office.
Blame those governing, or saying they are.
If you are a child you need a certain level of governing.
If you are an adult and need governance you should be excluded from society.
That way you can help evolution do its job of improving H. sapiens.
Maybe Fish meant haven’t governed themselves?
you are way off base in your hysterical comments about the CIA and intelligence
usually your comments are reasonable and not so emotional
I am a 40 year veteran from the intelligence community (IC) – agree there have been many mistakes but on balance the IC has served this nation well
stick to interest rates and that stuff
Gary Bowser — what spy tradecraft book did you skim through that said to put classified intelligence info on an unsecure server in your basement? With no passwords and no security logs? Did you fail tradecraft 101? These sorts of mistakes were stupid when a high school principal made them a decade ago — there is simply no excuse for it to happen in a cabinet level position. No excuse, and it makes you look stupid to try to defend Hilary’s contempuous attitude and corruption.
And if you spent 40 seconds in intelligence, please explain how the folks in Langley can guess what is going on in Moscow or Tehran or Benghazi — when they are so f-cking clueless about what is happening across the river at Foggy Bottom?
Any of you so-called intelligence analysts notice that Hilary is a liar and a crook? Did you notice that she has utter contempt for middle class Americans? Hilary’s corrupt behavior influenced the election more than Russia, China and everyone else combined. Get a clue.
Seriously Gary. How do you claim to understand cultural nuances in foreign countries when you can’t grasp what is happening in your own country?
And then to compound the problem — whining like an infant that governments may possibly be trying to influence elections in other countries??? Are you seriously that naive Gary? Especially when US intelligence has been doing the same?
If you actually spent 40 years in intelligence operations and you are that clueless — then you are exhibit A on why the CIA needs purging.
Learn some basic tradecraft Gary. Just shameful.
How do I know what you are saying is true?
Human nature is to question.
Did you choose your avatar yourself?
Most intelligence personnel I have met are decent people who work without searching greater reward, does not make them right or wrong though.
Gary Bowser, I hope you are reading and considering the comments here.
I’m sure you are a patriot, but I hope you have not been misled.
Gary,
I will agree with you that many in the IC are genuine professionals working hard at their jobs. However, I do not believe that the IC has actually faithfully served the nation on whole as a larger community. The tactical folks are great, but the leadership sucks sewage through a pipe then serves it up pretending it to be fine cuisine.
Too often, I have seen good work and good analysis turned into political crapola or misused to justify stupid operations by the top echelons of cronies appointed to serve the whims of the elected (and in many cases, non-elected elites). We cannot argue around the more than 100 years of shenanigans, poison ops, and regime change efforts that have created much of the modern mess we call a world.
Professionals within the IC are critical to the defense of the republic, but let’s not pretend that means the agencies of yesterday are the answers to tomorrow’s challenges. It is the professionals we all are looking to to reform this crap shoot. We know that the three name IYI crowd is the problem.
This is another part of CIA history which is as bad or worse than anything, yet it is usually ignored or missed:
https://infogalactic.com/info/Project_MKUltra
The CIA’s efforts to hide it from congress and everyone else have been only partially successful.
This is the same CIA now saying “we have no evidence of Russian influence, but just trust us”. If the Russians did influence the election, it was only by exposing the truth. Apparently that is anathema to the CIA.
dulles should have gone to jail
It is jackass stupid for the CIA to pretend that everybody doesn’t spy on everybody else. Of course, countries need to spy on each other to protect their own citizens. I guess the CIA just objected to Russia exposing a truth– any truth for that matter.
we saw what weasels run the CIA with the desperate flip flopping of our current CIA director, who shall remain nameless. 🙂 But they do their master’s bidding, don’t they?
Thanks for your comments. Anytime I see the slightest validation I give a big cheer. I told my story in “La Taza Azul” by Ricardo Ali Fernandez.”
CJ, I want to thank you for your comments.
I like the truth and see the established as trying to always hide it. Why isn’t the establishment going after corruption, bribery, the clintons?
Spying is valuable. Knowledge is almost always good to have. (Faber College motto. But cf. PSA testing controversy. )
The political commanders often misuse knowledge, but that’s a problem with the leaders not the spies. Bush, not the intelligence agencies, settled on the WMD rationale. The agencies were complicit, but the principal actors were not spies nor soldiers but politicians.
How treaspassory the spying should be depends on how much we should honor a particular nation’s sovereignty. That , in turn, depends on how much freedom it accords its inhabitants . A nation like Russia is entitled to little respect of its sovereignty. This doesn’t mean we should invade it, or sanction it , but that we would be morally correct in seeking to replace its government. Cost/benefit realities , however, make any such effort insane.
Even Rand Paul, I would wager, would maintain a potent intelligence apparatus. But he’d use it to defend the United States , and to promote freedom abroad if and only if to do so was highly probably cheap and effective (which is not only charitable but also keeps us safe and rich).
Professional sports teams all have people watching the coach on the other sideline, seeing what mood he is in, what players might get sub’d in/out, what sorts of plays the other team might be considering. Only the losing teams have people spying against their own team.
When CIA and NSA employees (not their political masters) got orders to conduct mass surveillance on the USA (instead of foreign countries) — they had both a moral and a professional duty to say **NO**. “I was just following orders” is a bullsheet excuse that just does not cut it.
If NSA agents had professional integrity — they would have been resigning in droves after Edward Snowden revealed their employer was working against America. There is no excuse for mass surveillance against innocent civilians that PAY YOUR SALARY.
Professionals would have resigned in droves after Michael Hayden and/or Keith Alexander publicly declared the US citizenry can’t be trusted. They certainly would have had a problem with everything James Clapper perjured himself about in Congress.
CIA and NSA were supposed to spy on the Russians and Chinese — not on Americans. The FBI was supposed to protect Americans from foreign spying. And all of them were supposed to prevent a corrupt former secretary of state from operating an insecure email server in her basement.
Hilary cost herself the election. The “intelligence” agencies trying to make excuses about it are just making themselves look stupid and unprofessional.
You nailed it, but the “credibility trap” (http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2013/09/what-is-credibilty-trap.html) has permeated all organizations with fraudulent/immoral leadership. One could point to Bill Clinton, banksters that are not prosecuted, or CEO’s that say they have to cheat to be competitive, but the results of condoning bad behavior is the same.
In the private sector, businesses without professional integrity ultimately fail, unless they buy govt favors. In govt it just breeds sociopaths and sheeple willing to sell their souls for a job. However, govt also fails, as trust and confidence collapses, which pops the govt bond bubble, that starts this year in europe and will spread to Japan, before crashing upon our shores by 2020. The ironic thing is all those people that keep their mouths shut to save their job are causing the collapse that will destroy their jobs and pensions.
BTW, the CIA has been the Jackals behind the asset stripping tactics employed for decades in Indonesia, South/Central America, and any place that has natural reources coveted by the US (read Confessions of an Economic Hitman). The same asset stripping tactic was employed in Greece and the other PIIG’s, as well as in the real estate crisis (except the police/courts played the role of the CIA to intimidate and evict home owners).
There never was a PSA testing controversy. The USPSTF never recommended the PSA test. In 2000, in Canada, I was told never to order a PSA test without knowing exactly what I would do with the result–and since there was no life-extending treatment, and still is none, for early prostate cancer, vs slightly later cancer, that meant “never order the test.”
Now the USPSTF has published a D recommendation for the test, which says, in effect, “Don’t order the test,” and all the crooks are running for cover by saying there’s a “controversy.”
PSA is CYA test for some (hormone prescribers) and a $$$$$ test for others (urologists). For them, it is techno-medical cash-extraction manna. It does have one use, which is the great reason for the discovery of cancer markers: it is helpful in medically managing post-op prostate cancer.
There has never been a “controversy” in the sense of pros and cons. There have only been cons, and marks.
Thanks highly for this.
No idea how PSA testing came up in this discussion – but in the United States since PSA testing was routine for men over age 40 the prostate cancer specific mortality rates plummeted. PSA testing is the only means to discover prostate cancer which leads to the biopsy and diagnosis. The only other means is pain – and by that time the cancer has metastasized to the bone or an organ. If prostate cancer is caught early and treated before it grows outside the prostate capsule or increases to a lethal grade (Gleason Score) it is curable in almost all cases, according to the scientific literature. If it’s not caught early and it metastasizes the treatment is unpleasant and costly, but can prolong life for years. Eliminating PSA testing would be sending countless numbers of men to their early graves. Eliminating pap smears or mammograms for women would be tantamount to aiding and abetting murder. But some have no problem with withholding life-saving medical tests for men.
Cleaning up would be big surprise – so what about the waste in the military–industrial complex aka ‘Defense’ Dept??
I can recall a number of years ago that questions arose regarding the value of our intelligence agencies because of the highlighted failures, as Mish did here. The reply was that they need to be measured on the number of incidences that they prevented, not on the few that slipped through, and by that measurement we’ll be left in the dark.
I wish I knew what the answer was, but, my tour in Afghanistan showed me just how different human life is valued. Since it is the federal governments primary, of not sole, responsibility to defend the country some intelligence is necessary.
“The CIA is worse than useless. They did not foresee (etc.)…”
Today is Russian Orthodox Christmas [Dec 25 according to the Julian calendar.]
This time around, Putin visited Spasskiy Cathedral at St. George Monastery. In 2016 he visited Church of the Intercession.
Interesting, considering sometimes Putin speaks/acts symbolically.
“The CIA is worse than useless. They did not foresee…(etc.)…”
I’ll agree that they are worse than useless, but I don’t doubt their ability to foresee anything…
The CIA is trapped – not unlike their Deep State comrades @ the Fed. They’ve been manipulating so many factors in so many places for so long that they themselves are CAUSAL to most everything happening now (and in the foreseeable future). Addressing any/every wound for them means picking open an old, infected scab.
I am certain they foresee almost everything. But the CIA/IC can no longer act without first weighing whether the likely upstream disclosure of past actions poses an existential threat to them/intel. community. Their ability to apply sound/principled judgement was compromised decades ago, and the chaos downstream has been compounding for at least that long.
Furthermore, they are purely political. The IC’s funding has flowed through congressional committee’s since Day One. Think about that a minute… the IC’s very existence is 100% dependent on the political status quo.
IOW, the intel.community’s days are numbered… too many secrets, too many bodies, and their paymasters are being hunted by populist rabble. The information age is the irresistible force that will eventually rip holes in their walls.
Yet despite all of the evidence about their various crimes over the decades many people still support the CIA and think they are protecting us and our freedom.
“My country right or wrong is the amoral equivalent of my mother drunk or sober” – J.K. Chesterton
I think you meant G. K. Chesterton.
If the CIA is dismantled, who will the military-industrial complex rely on to provoke wars?
I dunno, but Lindsay Graham and John McCain come to mind.
A democratically elected gov’t in Ukraine?! They impoverished the people while the leaders lived like kings and then bought votes for a song using a nationwide mafia network plus control of the press. “The people” overthrew them by camping out on the Maidan in subzero weather for months and living off food and clothing provided by “the people” while facing off against violent police and military personnel.
Unfortunately, they are still ruled by Parliament mafiosos who run the banks, the mines, the chocolate companies and all the major corporations while not offering up a single family member to fight in eastern Ukraine. It’s the same program everywhere in the world, just more extreme in countries like Ukraine.
There were ukrainian activists in Maidan who had legitimate concerns because the democratically elected leader was living like a king and was corrupt.
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However these ukrainian activists were abused by US that was inflaming the situation in order to effect regime-change and the ukrainian nazis which were the muscle that did the actual coup after Ukrainian president had made a peace agreement with protesters but stupidly accepted the condition to withdraw police from the streets which gave nazi-thugs free reign.
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The Yats administration installed by Nuland was incompetent and caused the whole mess of Crimea leaving and russian speaking areas wanting to leave by banning russian language after nazis demanded it.
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The current Poroshenko administration that was democratically elected, after Yats was found to be incompetent and making matters worse, is not any better than the original ukrainian president that was overthrown in a coup.
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The situation for ukrainians is worse than it was before the coup and the country is totally broke and after EU now granted ukrainians free movement there will be many ukrainians moving to europe to work thereby further destroying the Ukraine economy.
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EU leadership is totally incompetent also and Merkel seems to be living on some other reality.
Self-interest has always driven the business cycle. Political self interest drives the sales pitch that politicians can manage/manipulate the business cycle, for without this belief politicians are impotent. So, despite what the CIA or the rest of the establishment does, they cannot stop the financial reset that will continue the transition from public (trust) to private (no govt trust).
What Trump knows that almost everybody else does not is that the WikiLeaks material on Hillary and the DNC emails did not come from hacks; too much volume to happen with no server record of when it occurred. Hillary and DNC was an inside job, like the Snowden and Chelsea Manning “leaks,” which is why Trump knows Assange is right and Claptrap et al. are liars at best, stupid at worst. James Claptrap and the intelligence community will be shown to be Political Operatives beholden to the Democratic Party if the truth comes out, which it likely will in full after Jan. 20 when Claptrap is collecting his bloated pension and Clinton Foundation paychecks for his part in the “confidence” scheme.
The Russian War Plan is unraveling without Hillary moving into the White House as head cheerleader. Think about it, it is all hands-off with No Real Crime Scene Investigation like in real criminal cases. A bunch of butt-warming bureaucratic suits in offices, collecting paychecks and spinning fictional hacking scenarios peddled as authoritative and conclusive (with the so-called real evidence also fictionally withheld). Intell started off with a conclusion, that it was remote hacking, and proceeded from there to rationalize their a priori conclusions. To call it an Investigation is fiction, and stupidity like the Iraqi Yellow Cake Uranium story. Everything Hillary people said was accepted at face value; in contrast to the scrutiny given security guard Richard Jewel at the Atlanta Olympics when he found a bomb in a trash can. Trump is just kicking back and waiting until the Democratic Political Operatives are moved out at Intell Swamp Central.
First of all how do we have “seventeen intelligence agencies” somehow working for the federal government? That’s your first problem right there. Anytime you have seventeen agencies working at cross-purposes, things are going to get weird. Next of all: the CIA may have missed things, yes. It didn’t miss a whole lot of other things which we’ll never know about because they took care of them and let us sleep quietly and get up in the morning and go on with life. The point here is: intelligence reform may be appropriate. Like Edmund Burke suggested for all of government, however, cutting down a tree never increases its’ health. Careful pruning and better maintenance will get you a better tree. Simply eliminating decades of knowledge, fieldcraft, sigint work and everything else would be catastrophic for the US who is woefully outnumbered in the world and sinking financially.
The better question to ask, therefore, instead of “Should we eliminate the CIA” is the same one which has been asked for literally thousands of years:
Who guards these guardians? How shall they, in turn, be controlled and by whom?
I hope Trump has the balls to put his words into action and dismantle the CIA or at least downsize and neuter it into oblivion. Everywhere the spooks go they leave a trail of carnage behind with nothing of value or substance to show for it. In fact, the end result is worse than the original package. Trump know this. He made it clear on the campaign trail. It all comes down to whether he has the balls to take action knowing that it would make him a target. He would be the 1st President in my lifetime who would even consider screwing with the CIA.
Georgetown U in Washington DC is the oldest Catholic and Jesuit-affiliated institution of higher education in the United States. It’s worth noting that Professor John “bad boy” Pedesta is a faculty member at Georgetown.
Some of Podesta’s students include: George Tenet, who was a CIA director at the time of the 911 false flag. David Petraues, (who betrayed us) was a CIA director a few years ago, completed a military fellowship at Georgetown university. Previous CIA director Michael Morell is a Georgetown post-graduate. Current CIA director John O. Brennan received a B.A. from Fordham university, another major Jesuit programming center.
Also secretaries of defense like to visit Georgetown a lot. Donald Rumsfeld, who was a secretary of defense during the 911 false flag, attended Georgetown. Robert Gates, who was a secretary of defense between 2006 and 2011, achieved his Ph. D. at Georgetown. James Clapper Dir. of National Intelligence is also a faculty member at Georgetown.
I’d venture to guess that those listed here are more in line with the Jesuit Pope Francis’ 2030 Agenda than they are to the security/safety of the US.
The CIA has become evil and politicized from the top down. The CIA is a huge organization with a black budget and independently operating cells. Nobody within the CIA at the operational level knows what other agent cells are doing because it is clandestinely run from the Top down. The worst part is that there is No accountability to the American people ie. Congress, because Nobody knows what they are up to. The CIA’s accountability is; “Trust us. We wouldn’t lie to you. We’re protecting the American people.” There is No way to do as Reagan said to do with the Soviet Union, “Trust but Verify” – Because there is No Way to verify these Devils. They should be immediately dismantled.
At the very least we need an apology from every administration for over sixty-five years of the abusive application of the state secrets privilege and related doctrine, act, executive order, regulation and related policy abuses. The taxpayer funded intelligence gathering serial criminals need this apology to wash themselves with every year. The apology needs to be in every state of the union address. Why President Obama did not apologize is beyond me. Soon it will be President Trump’s turn to apologize.
More political engineering, this time Israel/UK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4098082/Astonishing-undercover-video-captures-diplomat-conspiring-rival-MP-s-aide-smear-Deputy-Foreign-Secretary.html
Why are there over 50,000 names on the Wall in D.C.?
Answer: the C.I.A. and their “False Flag” operation in the Gulf Of Tonkin to justify the War in Vietnam.
The one I love is the creation of a Cuban chat room by the CIA to create a pro-democracy base in Cuba. The CIA was caught with their pants down on this one. Whoever came up with that right idea should’ve been fired. But he probably was promoted. This is the same type of crap they did in Ukraine through NGOs promoting education about democracy. I suggest that the money and resources be spent here to reform this corrupt power-sharing arrangement between Wall Street and Washington and undemocratic structure of our government.
That Michael Morrell has a reason to complain. Under Trump’s ethics proposals, former acting CIA director Morrell will have to give up working as a lobbyist in a firm with other Hillary Clinton loyalists. He would be prevented from lobbying the administration for five years or more. But I’m sure going back home and living under the laws passed for the benefit of the rest of us won’t be too difficult for him. Part time jobs are plentiful in fly-over country. Morrell could try being a greeter at a local hardware store, for example, a popular choice for retirees.
Not to defend the CIA and the US intelligence community for its many failures, but it’s a sad day when we buddy up to a former leader of the KGB and elect his lap dog as president. Does anyone here really think that Putin and his empire have our best interests at heart? Except Trump of course.
” Does anyone here really think that Putin and his empire have our best interests at heart? Except Trump of course.”
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None of the leaders have my best interest at heart.
They are all like Merkel who obviously hates ethnic Germans and does everything in her power to disinherit and destroy them.
All we are saying is give Trump a chance…….
Besides, why are some so afraid of the US and Russian Presidents having a friendly and cordial relationship?
Is our final objective to have the entire world hate us?
Can’t we work in cooperation for the good of mankind?
Or do we have to learn new and more effective ways to blow each other up?
I’m not sure we are buddying up to Putin and I doubt Trump will be anyone’s lap dog,
No, John Smith, I’m afraid the sad day you speak about was at the Boston Marathon. The police state went full bore and terrified citizens were locked in their homes as if under some sort of house arrest while the militarized civilian Boston police and dim witted FBI combed residential neighborhoods in search of terror suspects.
Eventually apprehended by an alert private citizen in his own back yard, the intelligence apparatus still managed to spend countless dollars and resources while exercising a near martial law like response. Was it really necessary? Maybe, or maybe not. Maybe the Russian intelligence that positively ID’d suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev from his attendance at terrorist training camps should have been taken seriously. Or would that have meant we were buddying up to the KGB?
Good point about the Russian intelligence service. They warned the US about the Tsarnaev Bros. prior to the Boston Marathon bombing to no avail. The US intel gurus ignored the warning. Would an enemy warn a foe about an impending danger? Now the Russians are evildoers. ha. No good deed goes unpunished.
The one Tsarnaev bro was a green card holder and arrested and/or convicted of domestic violence prior to the bombing, yet the government allowed him to remain on US soil.
Another example of how unenforced US immigration laws cost innocent American lives.
Thanks again, Obama. Don’t let the White House door hit you on your ass on the way out.
Mish, while I like your financial analyses, you have gone way off the rails into areas you know nothing about. Condemning an agency because there are/may be a few bad apples is like saying bloggers that put out false news are bad so all bloggers are bad. Paul Verchinski 5475 Sleeping Dog Lane Columbia, MD 21045 410.997-3879
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Come on Mish.
Whatever happened to two thosand three hundred and fifty second chances?
MissAcc: Do you mean 2,919 second chances? That would be Obama’s 365×8 minus 1st day…..that the media gave him !
Mish: Your comments re CIA are VERY intriguing ! And think of this: The 25 pg Rpt released Friday clearly stated the CIA and FBI were “Highly Confident” that Putin directed hacking and releasing, whereas the NSA only was “Moderately Confident”.
The definition of Moderately Confident in their report was basically that it’s POSSIBLE but not the proof to be Highly Confident !
How about that !!?? Then the media runs and spins and exaggerates from there !
NO WONDER THEY’RE NOT GIVING THE PROOF — there ISN”T ANY !
I am Ukrainian. The revolution in Ukraine was a widely popular movement supported by all strata of society against a deeply criminal government which was a Russian puppet on top of it, who unexpectedly jerked the nation back towards Russia, (under the threat of annexation of Crimea as later came out). Give me a single shred of evidence for CIA conducting the revolution in Ukraine, outside of the Russian propaganda sources that you love so much.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
http://www.globalresearch.ca/washington-was-behind-ukraine-coup-obama-admits-that-us-brokered-a-deal-in-support-of-regime-change/5429142
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nicolas-j-s-davies/us-double-standards-in-uk_b_7044588.html
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/february/22/interventionism-kills-post-coup-ukraine-one-year-later/
From the last link – By Ron Paul
There you Go Alex
Blame the US and EU for your mess – Not Russia
Read all the links, none of them RT or Russian sources
Yep, that administration was corrupt
The US helped install a more corrupt one.
Now your country is destroyed, needing loans from the parasites at the IMF and McCain is still war mongering.
But you can believe what you want. I cannot stop you.