Idiotic government decisions are a dime a dozen. Here’s the latest inane proposal: Germany to Electronically Tag All People on Terror Watchlist.
The German government will electronically tag all people on the country’s terror watchlist even if they have committed no crime, reflecting a tougher approach in the wake of December’s terror attack in Berlin.
The measure is one of several proposals agreed by the justice and interior ministries in the weeks after the attack, in which a 24-year-old Tunisian man, Anis Amri, drove a truck into crowds at a Christmas market, killing 12 people and wounding about 50.
It later emerged that Amri, who was killed in a shootout with Italian police a few days after the incident, had been classified by authorities as a potentially dangerous extremist and marked for deportation to Tunisia. But the attempt to send him back failed after the authorities there refused to recognise him as a citizen.
On Wednesday, police in Frankfurt arrested a 36-year-old Tunisian man who was allegedly planning a terror attack in Germany for the militant group Isis.
He was also alleged to have taken part in attacks in Tunisia, including on the Bardo National Museum in Tunis in March 2015 that killed 20 people, and a suspected assault by Isis militants on the town of Ben Guerdane close to Tunisia’s border with Libya in March 2016 in which 13 soldiers and seven civilians died.
Police said the suspect was a recruiter and trafficker for Isis and had built up a support network for the group inside Germany. He had allegedly come to Germany in August 2015 as an asylum seeker, but had previously lived in the country, between 2003 and April 2013.
From September 2016 he had been in custody awaiting extradition, after the Tunisian authorities requested his arrest. But he was released in early November, because the Tunisians had failed to provide the necessary papers to allow him to be sent back. Since then, police said, he had been under round-the-clock observation.
The case closely resembles that of Amri, who could also not be sent back to Tunisia because the authorities there refused to provide the necessary ID papers.
The tagging proposal had been agreed by justice minister Heiko Maas and interior minister Thomas de Maizière last month as part of a package of measures to beef up security.
Proposal Synopsis
- Let recruiters and traffickers for Isis go because of failed paperwork.
- Instead of placing all suspects under round-the-clock surveillance, we will give potential terrorists a device to wear, and they will gladly wear it.
- Those falsely accused will not become radicalized by the humiliation.
- The public will not start looking for these devices, nor will they panic when they see them.
Questions
- Even if Anis Amri had been wearing the device, can someone explain how this would have stopped the Christmas massacre?
- Can we conclude all suspects cannot go shopping at Christmas malls?
- Does Germany even know where all the suspects are?
- Does Germany want all the suspects to know they are suspects?
- Would enactment of the idea inform terrorists not on the list know they are not suspects?
- Wouldn’t the terrorists like to know whether or not they are suspects?
Amri was eventually killed in a Showdown With Italian Police in Milan.
Amri’s escape to Italy was made easy due to the fact that
German Privacy Rules Say “Illegal” to Post Face of Person Being Sought.
By all means, let’s preserve the privacy of terrorists. Instead, let’s tag all the suspects so the real terrorists know whether or not they are suspects.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
I wonder if the German authorities consulted Joseph Heller (in his grave) to come up with this piece of stupidity. Sounds like it’s straight out of Catch-22.
Why can’t we leave the religion of peace alone?
They only come to these countries seeking a better life, and if they must take yours…..well, that’s just too bad, because you probably were enjoying racist white infidel privilege anyway and deserved to die.
Allahu Akbar
Does anyone think that Europe will wake up anytime near soon enough to survive?
No.
Without fresh blood German demographics are terrible.
Did someone say demographics are destiny?
Germany is Japan Mk2, therefore so is the EU powerhouse.
Don’t mention Italian and Spanish demographics too.
The Germans are desperate to inject fecundity and the EU has to go along.
So, while western nations have been preached to the horrors of overpopulation, incentivizing us to stop breeding and instead expend our procreation instincts on let’s say, more “alternative” sexual deviancies, we now must import backward, violent and severely inbred people to fill hopeful tax roles and provide genetic diversity?
Who’s running this circus anyway?
Yes, but robots will take all jobs anyway, so the “refugees” are really just cultural enrichment.
The asylum seeker immigration WORSENS the demographic problems because they are largely unemployed and the 2nd generation is even worse as can be seen in Germany, France, Sweden and Belgium.
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The way to start locals having babies is to stop the real estate bubble (so homes are affordable) and start keeping jobs in Europe instead of importing jobs to China.
Nope. German implosion in T-6… The only way this will stop is when the pendulum swings the other direction. Middle ground is rare these days in any society; Polarization is king.
5 and 6 really tell the whole story. And if the terrorist is outside the zone, gets in a truck and makes a run at the zone, how long will you have to react? And if he cuts off the device and then does the previous, how will you know where he is targeting?
If you KNOW he is a terrorist, and the other country does not “provide the documentation” – send a military aircraft with a parachute and let ’em drop. Or not on the chute.
This was originally the B proposal: proposal A was to tell the terror suspects that they are bad guys, and should say three Hail Marys before being released.
Maas deserves a gold star for this proposal.
Well, maybe a yellow one.
Why does this come as a Surprise..? The Overlords of the EU are too busy with Financial ‘Hocus Pocus’ Plus..also tracking the entire European population,to Expend any Concentrated Efforts on ‘Qualified’ Terrorists…lololol
Any chance the Tag manufacturer has “lobbied” for this or some money has changed hands?
It fails on so many levels, does it succeed on any?
What alternative is there?
While it is not possible under the current German government, the best internet response has been:
Deport them to Tunisia from 10,000 feet.
If someone is intent on harming others how will this prevent it?
A quick taxi rise to a “restricted zone” and bang!
Another thing, modern German houses are well insulated and some like Faraday cages (metallic foil covered wall insulation), the tag signal won’t get out. The suspect will be invisible to the system?
Let me know when it gets to the, “Kill them all and let God sort them out” phase. These people have way too much patience.
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Germany is a de facto “Sanctuary Nation.” Perhaps the next stop for the Terrorism Express will be the USA’s Sanctuary Cities. All aboard!
Why not given them all devices to wear WHILE THEY ARE IN PRISON.
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Duh – they could make the unit into a Rolex lookalike so the suspect will wear it on the wrist and not want to take it off.
Thing is Mish, there are ways around every one of your objections.
Have you considered political correctness for example ?
No.you.have.not.
There is every motive for the suspect to fully comply when you take that into account, otherwise he will immediately be recognised as unwelcome and shunned by the nation.
The same could be said for avoiding any kind of criminal record. If he takes off the device, sooner rather than later the authorities will be picking him up.
The main advantage of the system though is to create a sense of security. You should know this by now. The authorities will know that he is not near where you are, only somewhere else. In the future they might even make it possible for you to be tracked just to make sure.
Unhunh, you got the view – you decide if you are terrorist friendly, if you are xenophobic, or similar, and the authorities will put your preference on their list and program the interactions necessary to keep everything in order.
Neat hunh.
“A variety of intelligence agencies were now watching him (Amri) as he travelled regularly between Dortmund and Berlin. He was DRIVEN AT LEAST ONCE BY the intelligence agent.”
“Amri was not arrested due to a lack of legal means, even though this is how it is portrayed. The authorities could have filed an application for deportation or security detention with a court and held Amri for up to 18 months as a ‘threat.’ They could have then arrested him under a charge of terrorism. But none of this occurred. Amri remained concealed and on December 19 was able to carry out his attack.”
Selected quotes from “Was the Berlin Christmas market attacker an undercover agent?”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/01/25/berl-j25.html
“Keep your enemies close”, yes, but car pooling seems extreme.
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I guess this is the norm now?
Wake up moderator! You’re been asleep for about 2 hours now.
Let’s just tattoo a barcode on the forehead of each immigrant which will identify them. Then insert a gps tracking unit in each person. When the authorities scan the barcode it will also detect the gps unit. Anyone who removes their gps unit will be jailed for 10 years. That should do it.
The most politically correct way which they are certainly angling for is to barcode everybody except the terrorists. I know this outlandish, but this is Germany. /s
All that is required is for us to surrender our liberties inorder to prove that we are worthy of the progressives vision.
IF some high risk person is supposed to be deported and the country at the other end (Tunisia in this case) refuses to take them back then Germany should have responded by (1)telling the Tunisian government that restrictions (bans?) will be placed on Tunisians entering Germany and (2) locking the illegal in a detention centre until they can be deported. If that is for their entire life then tough, better than the risk of them having the opportunity to commit murder.
That is what should be done.
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In addition all development aid to a country that refuses to take back their citizens should be immediately stopped.
Also all Tunisian made products should be stopped from entering Europe until the tunisian government stops showing the middle-finger to Europe and starts immediately taking back their citizens.
This reminds me of the idiotic gun control measures that are constantly proposed by progressives here in the US… gun-free zones, gun bans, etc.
Criminals/terrorists are just lining-up to comply with the laws, of course. /sarc
I’m sure all the suspected terrorists in DE will happily wear a tracking device, right? A system that INFORMS terrorists that they are/are not being tracked… yeah, that’ll work like a charm.
Ummmmm, how about you just not let them in the country until you know they are not threats?
I find it rediculous that they cannot post a picture of a wanted man sought by the authorities.
Glad I live in the USA,,,,,,,,,
German government officials must have been watching a Monty Python movie when they dreamed up these proposals.
Mish, you are a treasure. Been awhile since I thanked you. Love your blog, the news you present and how you comment on it.
Not stupid at all. They know what they want: to tag all of us. And they will get there. If they would be too efficient eliminating terorists, there would be no threat and no reason to attack our privacy. It is everything well planned to round us all, ant track as every possible way.
Always by very small increment, setting small precedents that can be expanded on. In this case it is to force suspects, if I am not wrong they are not even accused let alone tried, they just happen to be on a watchlist. If that is allowed then the next watchlist might not be terrorists, it could be political activists, or even those protesting the encroachment as they must be paranoid … any one judged needing to be monitored to avoid ‘public harm’.
Angela Merkel is incompetent and german media has turned into a joke which tells how nice clothes the emperor has despite the emperor being totally naked.
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Angela Merkel is RESPONSIBLE for every drowning in the mediterranean and every rape, gang-rape,murder, terrorist act, assault and molestation of kids committed by asylum seekers Merkel LURED, INVITED and LET into Germany and other european countries with her incompetent policies.
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If there was free press in Europe there would be tens of german reporters after Merkel and her government after every gang-rape and other atrocity committed by asylum seekers Merkel LURED and LET into Germany.
Invite everyone to have a tag.
If you say no – you’re the one they are looking for.
EU law allows DETENTION of ALL asylum seekers until 18 months and EU council leader Donald Tusk DEMANDED in December 2015 that DETENTION should be used.
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Angela Merkel and other politically correct and WEAK european leaders made a POLITICAL DECISION to let all asylum seekers wander around freely in the country they chose to make their asylum claim in after registering their asylum application meaning Angela Merkel and other european leaders CHOSE to let asylum seekers rape, gang-rape, sexually assault, murder and terrorize european women, children and men and inflict unbelievable suffering and fear inside europe.
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Before that Angela Merkel had ensured that all criminals and terrorists could get into europe through open borders among asylum seekers who were mostly seeking welfare and not safety since EVERYONE was already SAFE in Turkey and Greece but one can not get free apartment and free welfare money in Turkey or Greece.
Merkel LURED people to come by stating time after time that there is NO LIMIT on how many asylum seekers Germany takes and LET people come by demanding that borders must be kept open (because open borders are supposedly a fundamental european value) and caused the final rush that broke Europe with Merkel’s idiotic statement that Dublin Treaty no longer applies so even if Italy or Greece registers the asylum seeker they can still come into welfare in Germany.
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The asylum seeker rush in 2015 and early 2016 was CAUSED by Angela Merkel and German free welfare money and free apartment policies with large acceptance rates for even obviously FAKE asylum seekers with memorized and facebook-shared stories of persecution by the incompetent german immigration authorities and boosted by insane EU-directives and originally Sweden made EASO modules and trainings for asylum application deciding bureaucrats which made it quick and easy to get asylum in europe and with it get free apartment and free welfare money for life and also free healthcare, free dental, free daycare, generous childrens allowance money for each child monthly, free school, free university and family re-unifications straight to welfare.
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Other GUILTY countries besides Germany are Sweden which is the birthplace of incompetent EASO which was developed under the name EAC (European Asylum Curriculum) by the soft touch Sweden which has been the loosest and most incompetent giver of asylums for tens of years and of course incompetent EU-commission decided to make the most loosest and laxest and incompetent asylum processing system the europeanwide standard.
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Greece was the pusher who made a political decision under leftist-communist Tsipras and his communistisque Syriza party to stop border control and stop detention in Greece in early 2015 like Tsipras had promised to greek voters and Greece just pushed, pushed and pushed everyone coming from SAFE Turkey into SAFE Greece towards welfare paying Europe and thereby LURED more and more people to come.
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Italy also “lost” over 50% of the people they gave boat rides from Libyan coast to Italy meaning they also INTENTIONALLY pushed people towards welfare paying europe.
Italy’s F-U to other european countries got so bad that even leftist Hollande was forced to close Frances borders with Italy in summer of 2015 to stop Italy pushing asylum seekers towards the welfare europe.
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Italy switched one outrage to another and started crying to EU-commission and Merkel that there must be burden sharing so that EU gives rides to welfare paying europe to asylum seekers Italy’s boat taxi service and previous pushing to the north has attracted to Italy so Renzi lobbied for the start of burden sharing and at the same time Italy gave asylums even to obvious economic migrants to get them out of Italy because thanks to EU free movement once Italy gives temporary residence permit with asylum the economic migrants with fake asylum story memorized from Facebook can travel to welfare europe without French border police or any other authorities being able to stop them thanks to EU free movement.
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Italy pushed over half of the people they received towards welfare paying europe without registration and Greece in their complete leftist-communist Syriza idiocy pushed 99% towards welfare paying Europe with Greece’s willful and deliberate destruction of Europe only stopping after Austria and Slovenia showed middle-finger to completely failed and insane Angela Merkel and closed their borders which caused all balkan countries to close their borders within 24 hours.
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NOBODY would come to Greece and Italy if there was ABSOLUTELY NO WAY from them to welfare paying europe.
Borders must be kept CLOSED, there must be NO BURDEN SHARING of asylum seekers around europe, FREE MOVEMENT for asylum seekers who got residence permit from Italy or Greece must be stopped so Italy’s current pushing of people towards welfare paying europe by granting residence permits to even FAKE asylum seekers is stopped.
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The more Italy and Greece pushed people towards welfare paying europe the more people they attracted because free apartments and free welfare money are what is LURING people to Europe because there is UNLIMITED demand for free welfare money and free apartments.