Dennis Kucinich, Former U.S. Rep. and Democratic presidential candidate, defended Donald Trump on “Mornings with Maria” on Tuesday.
In regards to Michael Flynn’s resignation, Kucinich defended Trump and told America to “Wake Up”
Anti-Russia Game
In the interview, Kucinich blamed factions of the US intelligence community for wanting to end any positive relationship between Russia and the US, hoping for a return of the cold war.
Kucinich did not see this as an anti-Trump game, but rather an anti-Russia game” “It’s not just this administration. I want to remind the views and all those who are on the panel that in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made.”
This is like “Deep State” said Kucinich.
My take: Anyone against war wanting to open ties with Russia has at least something on the ball.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Yes, the deep state, or whatever we call it, desperately needs enemies and Russia is their top candidate. They can freely posture against Russia knowing full well it can only really be a posture. All the Russians have to do is not rise to the bait. Their arsenal is adequate and apparently superior in many ways to what the US has today, quality not quantity.
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Aside from nukes, of which both the US and Russia have enough so simply setting them off in silos on their own soil will destroy the other as a mere side effect, I have seen nothing to indicate Russia can even afford fuel for most off their rusted out conventional war machine. Much less afford to pay their soldiers enough that they don’t trade their ammunition for vodka if given the opportunity.
As such, it is extremely likely, simply because it is so rational, that they do in fact attempt to look after their interests by the kind of influence and opinion shaping that the Intel guys are pointing to. Simply because the exact same mass of gullible, well indoctrinated stooges that the Western indoctrination machines have spent, and continue to spend, so much time and effort at creating and cultivating for their ruling classes’ benefit, can equally effectively be used for the benefit of the Russians.
Of course, for the stooges themselves, whatever self centered intentions the Russians may have in influencing them, the actual detriment of it as experienced by the stooges themselves, will almost certainly be less than if they instead followed the script intended for them by their own rulers. Simply because the Russians are so much further away, and hence aren’t in a position to extract the same levels of blood and toil from them, that their own “elected” Massas are.
Which is just another way of saying that the government that is the real problem for Americans, is the American government. Not the Russian one. Nor the Iranian nor Chinese nor Mexican nor North Korean ones. Nor the “robot” one for that matter. But just, simply, nothing fancy required, the American one. Which is, after all, the one that takes their income and hands it to banksters. And ban them from doing what they wish to do.
All the other ones being simply another bunch in the ever growing list of imaginary hobgoblins, dragged out too obfuscate this obvious fact.
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You are correct. Our government IS the predominant threat. The problem is that even government is nothing more than people and if we are to remove this oppression we will need to understand which components of this threat are most viral and imminent.
Everything and everybody is a threat. It’s just that some are far worse and more imminent than others. What government has done is to conflate elevated risks based upon their agenda, not reality. Ultimately risk is their greatest weapon. Accentuating minimal risks causes us to misallocate our resources, while minimizing real risk leaves us vulnerable. Both instances are used to create fear that they use to control us, to engender us to the notion of relinquishing liberties for our own protection….liberties that they use to control us.
We see right now how our intelligence services have the power to surveil us and arbitrarily release or conceal information as best suites THEIR needs. It is undoubtable that we are being manipulated, and while it would be nice to believe that it is all in our best interests (being the weak and simple minded fools we are), we KNOW that is NOT the case.
Every entity acts in its OWN interests and now that the People have voted for Trump, we also know that those voters are now also considered a risk in their eyes, politicians suggesting that we are even domestic terrorists for simply the act of voting for Trump.
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The Russia you are writing about died with the USSR. This Russia army and Air Force are very modern, the navy is still being worked. The soldiers are highly trained a paid well. This isn’t the 70 or early 90 any more in Russia.
Russian weapons sales are way up do to how well they have performed in Syria.
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I like the Russian dark sense of humour and the dogged independent spirit that really won the WW2 for the western allies and previously beat off Bonaparte’s intrusion before that.
Australia has a similar GDP but nowhere near the clout and Industrial capacity and creative weaponry of Russia.
I remember a person from the Kunstkamera , a Russian museum, commenting on the purchase in the 19C of a large German engineered clock that stopped working (the type that had many moving parts and pop-ups) – no matter we have five good Russian soldiers for the job.
Never underestimate Russia – they make things work 🙂
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Look no farther than AIPAC. They run this country.
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I can not even fathom the level of frustration Trump must be going through. The same thing happened with Obama…at one point he seemed to have a lot on the ball,,,then it became very clear that he received the “tap on the shoulder” and he pretty much caved. By the end of his administration he was a worthless cuck to the deep-state. Kind of reminds me of Andrew Jackson’s…”You are a den of thieves vipers, and I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out.” Albeit in a different context.
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Hilarious how Trumpublicans spent nearly a century screaming about the red menace only to suddenly change gears when Trump gets elected and ask why we aren’t all singing kumbayah. These are people with absolutely “0” principles. As to Kucinich’s tinfoil conspiracy theories… well, enough said.
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So according to you:
The idea that Russia is secretly ’embedded’ itself into the US politics and is secretly manipulating the president of the united states and his staff – totally valid theory
The idea that the Russia boogieman theory is hysterical lunacy and a reaction by those who lost to grab onto any theory, no matter how ridiculous to try to neuter the president – tinfoil hat conspiracy.
Got it 😉
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Get a clue, Phil: Reagan ended the Red Menace. Apparently you have not noticed the world has been changing. There is no conflict of principles there, although your confirmation bias will not allow you to see that.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/opinion/gingrich-graham-ukraine-obama/index.html
LOL, hypocrites. Absolutely no principles to speak of.
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Fake news from the number one fake news site CNN? No wonder you are so deluded.
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CNN? Wellyou”ve managed to discredit your own argument. Thank you fo finishing off this conversation so neatly.
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Oh did those Republicans not actually say those words? Nice try. Can’t deal with the message, go after the messenger? Like I said, “0” principles.
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Whatever you can say about Russia they are not communists like the USSR . They don’t have proxy states all over the world with the exception of Syria.
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“Hilarious how democrats spent nearly a century singing kumbayah about the red’s only to suddenly change gears when Trump gets elected and ask why we aren’t all bombing those evil despot back to the stone age. These are people with absolutely “0” principles. As to Moores tinfoil conspiracy theories… well, enough said.”
Yeah, its almost like they are playing a game, soon as the colours swap positions in the seat of power suddenly all the heinous despicable things the other colour stood for are now reasonable and right to carry on doing, and all the things that were righteous and good in the poisition of power are now racist and bigoted now they are not.
Ironically 1984 became a best seller again when trump took office and yet they still fail to see.
We have never been at war with ‘Eurasia’.
We have always been at war with ‘Eurasia’.
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“Hilarious how Trumpublicans spent nearly a century screaming about the red menace only to suddenly change gears when Trump gets elected…”
The USSR died in 1990. You are way behind the times. Who has suddenly changed gears?
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You are funny
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Phil, you are absolutely correct that the Republican establishment has played the anti-Russian card ever since Nixon. And it brought them to power many times. You incorrectly assume, however, that those who brought Trump to power belong to the Republican establishment. They do not. Indeed, it was the mainstream Republican voters’ willingness to question the bullshit neocon warmongering that got me, a life long Democrat, to support Trump. I may be fooled again, but I sure as hell was never going to vote for Clinton, who was completely beholden to the Deep State.
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nice post.
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I actually agree with Dennis.
I have no idea why we are supposed the hate he Russians and want war. The wars have all been disasters for the people of the US. It is amazing that the people that keep pushing these bad policies are still held up as “the smart ones” (McCain etc.).
We have wasted trillions and thousands of the lives of fine young Americans.
Trump should fire everyone in the executive branch that can be fired. I mean everyone!!
We couldn’t do worse.
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How nice to hear intelligent comments from Kucinich for a change. Also I did not realize he is as independent as he is. I tend to like people who do not let other people do their thinking for them.
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Kucinich has always been a brilliant guy. Where he fails is that he thinks other people are decent and smart too. So sometimes he sounds crazy to people who know that most folks are ignorant and lazy.
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This is another reason why we need to grow/raise our own food again. All the globalists & Big AG/Deep State need to do is cut off our food supply. If they do – it’s game over.
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The United States is the biggest food exporter in the world, by a wide margin.
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And Monsanto is the boggest player. No seedcrop for the little people .
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Russia is the largest grain exporter in the world according to the UN.
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I think what Mr. Hewitt is referring to is the fact that very little food is now grown locally, rather we have large agri-businesses in the place of small farms. Grain is grown on large farms largely in the grain belt and south, largely for animal food, but vegetables are grown on large farms in the west and southwest manned by immigrant labor.
The small “truck” farms are mostly gone. Farming was a hard life, but it was the backbone of the nation. Now credit is the core of our existence.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Maybe there is an opening for Kucinich. I wasn’t previously a fan, but it takes some kind of fortitude to come out and speak the truth, when the media generally rewards the troublemakers and the liars.
Trump needs to fire some people, and jail some people. It might even be okay if some of those people would just leave the country before they are arrested.
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Even now I just don’t see where the scandal is. Russia is an important player in areas of interest to the US. Wouldn’t it be a good idea for the national security advisor to establish as many contacts as possible, as soon as possible, with Russia whether they are enemy or friend. The key idea is for advisors in general to know what and who they are talking about.
It should be an actual job requirement. Why should it be necessary to brief everyone when you are just doing what should be expected. Why investigate, why discuss in the press, why fire someone for just doing their job with a little initiative.
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There is no scandal. This is just 1 narrative that got a little traction and the Dems and MSM are going to run it nonstop until we have to ask publicaly if they are retarded.
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Just an observation, but it sure seems funny that it’s always Russia to blame for _____.
Let me think for a second about all the countries that we’ve bullied, destroyed, and/or coerced in some manner till they capitulated or were destroyed for the last 50 years or so. Russia doesn’t seem to be on that list, despite the attempts to do so. Deep State needs to take a deep dive and go away.
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Reblogged this on sentinelblog.
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the people who fixed the democrat’s selection by conspiring against Bernie, wasserman-schultz and brazile, never paid. soros has never paid. hillary has never paid. podesta has not paid. hastert did not pay for his originating crimes. house of saud has not (yet) paid. tokyo electric power co. will never be able to pay enough. the MSM is running up unpaid debt like mad. hank paulson never really paid. jimmy saville never paid for his evil, nor the ones who abetted him. prince andrew was given immunity in the jeffrey epstein cases, so never paid. victoria nuland never paid. the clinton foundation needs to make full payment in arrears.
make them pay president trump.
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This is a war you cannot win. Push too hard and you end up like JFK.
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I’m sure some guy in a dark suit told Trump that fairly recently. Suddenly he hates Iran and wants a one state solution for Israel. Getting into lock step quickly.
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“Suddenly he hates Iran and wants a one state solution for Israel.”
Trump opposed the Iran deal all along, during the campaign.
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Deep state
Ranch house
Same same
Silly cattle thinking they have a say
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Meet the new boss – same as the old boss.
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I really dont know why anyone in the U.S would believe the blatant propaganda about Russia, I dont live in the U.S but as an outsider this all appeared almost out of the blue as soon as Hillary lost the election, it was like a last desperate attempt to make sure that Russia was the next big enemy for the coming government – for reasons?!?!
Because like most of you I cant see a hot war with Russia being good for anyone, the posturing sure, get some of the contracts signed for the Military-Industrial Complex.
But all this propaganda should be obvious to anyone, as even visiting sites.. comedy sites that put out articles of satire (and okay generally appear to be what the Americans would regard as left-wing) and which generally dont take any of this stuff too seriously are now pushing this agenda – hard, with articles showing how evil Putin / Russia are etc, and do the usual linking to other articles to prove their sources (as most good journalists do)
However one thing that is overly noticeable is that all these links are coming from and going to other U.S sources, I am finding very little (if any, I honestly cant recall) any of the links point to any site outside the U.S, which is weird in itself as you would expect links from at least the UK, Canada, Australia, NZ and other Anglo-American Friendly Allies.. But I’m not seeing much of that at all.
So either Russian is
1) The biggest threat to the world – Says the U.S Media
2) Not really more or less of a threat that it has ever been – Says the rest of the World
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The “deep state” is not just the intel agencies, it’s the left-biased media propaganda arm, it’s the vast armies of unelected bureaucrats, the bought and paid for elected ones and the lobbies that own them, and on and on and on. Anyone who expects them to ALLOW significant change no matter WHAT prez you vote for is a fool. So, sit back and watch the show with amusement as George Carlin learned to do in his old age. Cynics are never disappointed.
From the 2014 Princeton University study:
Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
Excerpts:
A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.
In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
…the preferences of economic elites (as measured by our proxy, the preferences of “affluent” citizens) have far more independent impact upon policy change than the preferences of average citizens do. To be sure, this does not mean that ordinary citizens always lose out; they fairly often get the policies they favor, but only because those policies happen also to be preferred by the economically-elite citizens who wield the actual influence.
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Always funny:
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Excellent Winston.
What if it was posited that the system, slyly (no one could detect it), was approaching Totalitarian and Trump voters threw a spanner in the works?
Same for Brexit?
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Wikipaedia – Totalitarianism is a political system in which the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an “elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society”.
Media a building block of a totalitarian state in the making.
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“Trump voters threw a spanner in the works?”
I think that’s exactly what happened although I’d prefer to say he more like a smallish Molotov Cocktail thrown into an ocean-sized swamp.
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So much of this is strange.
I keep reading about how “bad” it was at other times in the country, but they typically go back to the days of Madison, Jefferson, Adams, and Hamilton and their famous not-so-behind-the-scenes-bickering. Or Lincoln and his problems with the press.
I can’t say it’s the same. Back then it took weeks or a month for “news” to move from the center of the action to the people in more remote areas. And most of the attacking was done by the people themselves, using pen names and writing letters to the editors of newspapers and/or editorials and cartoons.
Today we have instant access to millions of news sources – many of them that are in the mainstream seemingly not only picking sides, but actually engaging the president using their news pages and not their editorial pages.
The vitriol which is openly expressed goes so far beyond anything experienced by our “forefathers” in their day. What was the worst they could say? “He’s the new King George?” As bad as George may have been, he had nothing on Hitler. For a large part of the “media establishment” to not only decide that a candidate for president is on par with a mass-murdering psychopath who was responsible for more than fifteen million deaths and a war that covered an entire continent, but to carry that opinion over after the candidate is elected and sworn in and to make no bones about doing so is…frankly frightening. And sad.
The worst part about it isn’t even that they are wrong, it’s that their doing so diminishes the actual horror of what Hitler and his country did.
And the best part? They can’t walk it back. They’re trapped. They have to do everything in their power now to *make* him Hitler because they used the trust they’ve earned as the “mainstream” media to make the accusation in the first place. To walk it back now would be to admit they overstepped and that would erode their trust – and affect their bottom line.
So the harsh reality is that they are more willing to run the risk of causing violence and mayhem to prove they were right.
And that sucks for the rest of us.
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“The worst part about it isn’t even that they are wrong, it’s that their doing so diminishes the actual horror of what Hitler and his country did.”
Hyperbole is all “the swamp” has left. The truly significant systemic social injustices they once rightfully fought against are gone and they are now forced to delve into ridiculous things like “micro-aggressions” and such, an imaginary college “rape culture,” an imaginary wage gap, pathological political correctness, imagined oppression in a blame everyone but me culture, etc. Their constituency consists of propagandized youth unskilled at fact based critical thought and analysis, the very large number of those who practice in identity politics, and the very large and growing number of people who depend upon the teat of the nanny state.
The IQ bell curve combined with an educational system that doesn’t teach critical thinking combined with a left-biased media promoting it all means the lowest common denominators will be skillfully and easily manipulated by the Machiavellian “head swamp masters” into the “be careful what you wish for” future.
“I think people in power have a vested interest to oppose critical thinking. You see, if we don’t improve our understanding of critical thinking and develop it as kind of second nature, we are just suckers ready to be taken by the next charlatan who ambles along… there are lots of ways to gain power and money by deceiving people who are not skilled in critical thinking.” – Carl Sagan, radio interview, May 1996
“If we are not prepared to think for ourselves, and to make the effort to learn how to do this well, we will always be in danger of becoming slaves to the ideas and values of others due to our own ignorance.” – William Hughes, author of Critical Thinking: An Introduction to the Basic Skills
“It’s far easier than you think to manipulate a nation of naive, self-absorbed sheep who crave instant gratification… I worry about our country’s future when critical issues take a backseat to the inane utterings of illiterate athletes and celebrity twits.” – Congressman X in “The Confessions of Congressman X”
“Despite the favorable opinions of undergraduates and alumni, a closer look at the record…shows that colleges and universities, for all the benefits they bring, accomplish far less for their students than they should… Many cannot reason clearly or perform competently in analyzing complex, non-technical problems, even though faculties rank critical thinking as the primary goal of a college education…Most have never taken a course in quantitative reasoning or acquired the knowledge needed to be a reasonably informed citizen in a democracy.” – Derek Bok, former 20 year president of Harvard University in his book “Our Underachieving Colleges”
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Excellent observation. Objectivity gone.
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We remember that Eisenhower’s peace summit with the USSR was sabotaged by the so-called “U-2 spy plane” that was shot down over the USSR. A “spy plane” and “spy pilot” that somehow were drenched in identifying information telling the world that it was a US operation. A faction of US intelligence surely set this incident up to preserve hostility between the superpowers, and soon we had the esteemed and established military figure Eisenhower publicly warning the US population of the danger posed by the military-industrial complex.
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Never heard that put together like that before. Excellent observation.
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Bill Kristol @BillKristol
Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics. But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state.
6:36 AM – 14 Feb 2017
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Yup, I quit reading Bill Kristol when I realized he is a neo-con RINO warmonger.
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Bill Kristol was instrumental in developing the neo-con movement in the USA. He was one of the original group that turned Leo Strauss’ twisted philosophy into modern America’s governing system.
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This also supports the theory that Trump is intentionally creating conflict with the Judicial branch (which is also part of the permanent government / deep state).
Trump’s problem is that he must confront the judiciary, media, the “intelligence community”, universities and “community organizers” all at once. Either that or all his executive actions will be without any long term consequence.
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Rasmussen reports that Trump’s approval ratings stand at 55%,
Note that the fake media and their surrogates ignore it.
Exaggerate the negatives. Downplay or totally ignore the positives.
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“…in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement.” – Kucinich
This is why Trump needed, not just a defense secretary who would deal with Russia reasonably, but also one who was respected by the military. Ashton Carter did not fill the bill as the Pentagon told him what they wanted instead of the reverse. I am not sure if Mattis will deal reasonably with Russia but, if he does, the rest of the Pentagon is more likely to listen.
Nevertheless, it’s getting scary. Trump is tweeting things about Crimea being an aggressive move by Russia – most likely because of the accusations of collaborating with them.
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The first thing Trump should do is pardon Snowden and other whistleblowers, demonstrating he is not a believer of propaganda.
Since we know the establishment cares more about their jobs, perks, and power, than the welfare of the great unwashed, expect an attempted assassination by the deep state Collectivists, if they are unsuccessful in turning Trump. The great irony will be the anti-Trump useful idiots will get what they wished for.
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This is surprising coming from Dennis but it is good advise.
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