The Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC), an entity created to “guarantee” pensions of private corporations, is on the verge of bankruptcy.
Teamsters and other unions are poised to take huge pension hits. Previously, airline employees have taken a hit.
Please consider PBOC Running Out of Cash to Cover Union Pension Funds.
The clock is ticking for 71 penniless union pension funds that rely on a federal insurance company to support their retirees — because the agency itself is also running out of cash, its director said Wednesday.
The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation’s limited liquidity is part of the spiraling U.S. pension crisis that threatens to wipe out the retirement savings of more than a million Americans.
The PBGC talked about its reduced circumstances Wednesday as it announced that it is now officially making pension payouts for Teamsters Local 707.
The New York union’s pension fund — covering 4,000 retired truckers across the city and Long Island — hit rock bottom in February.
The PBGC stepped in, as it has with 70 other bankrupt union pensions. But PBGC only has about a decade’s worth of cash in its coffers, director Tom Reeder warned.
Local 707 alone, with its 4,000 retirees, costs PBGC $1.7 million a month, agency officials said.
In order to keep afloat, PBGC doesn’t try to match a retiree’s union pension. The payouts are cut, often down to about one-third of what the worker is due.
{if the fund were to go broke] Retirees could expect to see their benefits slashed by 80%. In other words, less than one-eighth of the $570 average check PBGC is able to give Local 707 retirees now.
Overpromise and Underdeliver
Insolvency happens when you overpromise benefits that cannot possibly be paid.
Pension promises bankrupted many companies because they could not keep up with competitors who could charge less because they did not have union pensions to deal with.
In essence, unions brought this upon themselves by demanding benefits that could not be met.
Public unions would be in the same boat except politicians keep raising taxes in a foolish attempt to stave off the inevitable.
In many cases, it’s not as much foolish as it is corrupt. Politicians in bed with unions often have their own pensions to protect, at taxpayer expense.
Correction
The PBGC is a US government agency but it does not rely on taxpayer funds, ay least yet.
PBGC receives no funds from general tax revenues. Operations are financed by insurance premiums set by Congress and paid by sponsors of defined benefit plans, investment income, assets from pension plans trusteed by PBGC, and recoveries from the companies formerly responsible for the plans.
Mission Statement
The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) protects the retirement incomes of more than 40 million American workers in nearly 24,000 private-sector defined benefit pension plans. A defined benefit plan provides a specified monthly benefit at retirement, often based on a combination of salary and years of service. PBGC was created by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 to encourage the continuation and maintenance of private-sector defined benefit pension plans, provide timely and uninterrupted payment of pension benefits, and keep pension insurance premiums at a minimum.
PBGC is not funded by general tax revenues. PBGC collects insurance premiums from employers that sponsor insured pension plans, earns money from investments and receives funds from pension plans it takes over.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
These matters, like the banking issues/crises, are at heart a moral issue.
They are the symptoms of a much deeper problem than just the economy and returns on investment & until that is identified and addressed its just rinse-repeat every few years.
Even changing laws makes little difference (you just end up with more law breakers) until the people running the show change themselves and their motivations – over promising and short-termism.
My advisor has always worked – for years – on return assumptions of 3%, 5% and 7% as low-med-high to give a range of potential outcomes even when some years have been much, much better. It encourages more saving early on and a realistic opinion of future benefits.
Towards retirement you can always wind back savings if the assumptions have been too pessimistic and you have a better outcome than expected.
Unions, public sector etc should be tasked to be realistic and when not so face some consequence.
Dad’s pension was always from the PBGC, Bethlehem Steel going under just before he reached retirement age. Taught me a very important lesson: Don’t rely on anyone for your future. I have a 401(k) at work, I contribute to it, but I only do so for the employer match. The plan is pretty limited as to what I can and cannot purchase. Basically stock plans of varying risk or mortgage backed securities. No option to buy metals or CDs, I guess the company thinks they’re too risky?
I really wish I could just get a bigger paycheck instead. Same thing with health insurance. I know I could just do contract work, but in my field that becomes feast or famine depending on the capital spend. And sometimes there are some advantages to working for someone else beyond benefits.
This fund would definitely be propped up by a democratic president. It may still under Trump. This is the future of all pension funds. By one means or another they will drastically cut pensions to remain solvent.
This is only a problem for defined benefit pensions. Defined contribution plans, when adequately supported (say,15% of salary), are much safer.
Bond crisis = pension crisis. Many pensions are going to simply blow up
I am neither a union retiree or a public worker retiree but my companies pension plan went insolvent and PBGC issues a whopping $250/month pension check to me…the real problem with pensions and the never ending misinformation put it is the fact that pensions were not adequately funded…the monies were used for other spending oftern to the benefit of corporate executes, shareholders and taxpayers. Having an honest discussion starts with facts.
…I thought the part about…”over-promised, under-funded”…due to greed on the Union’s part sounded like BS. The companies that agreed to these benefits had a fiduciary responsibility to insure the monies needed to fund them were properly generated. If they were incapable of meeting both pension and profit goals, they needed to reconsider their goals…or offer up such a distinctly better product, that would insure future profits. If regular market investments failed to meet the fund’s goals on a year-to-year basis…the difference should have been made up out of profits…until a new Fund Manager can right the ship and regain regular market growth of the fund. In either case, they agreed to the benefits and had the responsibility to fulfil them, as long as the Union and it’s members fulfilled their end of the bargain.
RJ O’Guillory
How about an article how taxpayers and business stole pension funds for decades like in state of illinois? The taxpayers and business received a subsidy at the expense of decreased state taxes and fees while pension fund contributions by BOTH the state and by the state worker were used to augment general fund spending. Disingenuous whining by all those now complaining…..How about some intellectual honesty in actually looking at the facts?….My wife had 4% taken out her check for her part of her pension contribution…how much of that actually made it to the pension fund? NOTHING…..da nada….it was spent….by a lazy state elected officials who remain afraid to do what is right…even though state businesses and residents have derived decades of benefits at the cost of state workers and the pensions.
In the end, it always falls on the taxpayer. But then, that’s what .gov does isn’t it? It redistributes the wealth from individuals to collectives.
The point at which I saw this coming was 1974, the year it was formed. I saw it as a “safe out” for underfunded private corporate pension plans and said at the time that private companies would find ways to dump their pension plans into this cesspool and would bankrupt it. My only surprise is that it took this long.
Of course. Just another scam to under-pay hard working Americans by making them think they had a company pension. All the while the C-Suite is embezzling the funds into their own pockets. But hey, they got away with it and most sheeple will blame the unions! Perfect scam.
another gov’t program completely bankrupt and insolvent,wow what a shocker! is there a gov’t dept or program that’s not completely bankrupt?short answer NO,not to worry they’ll raise the dept ceiling by…wait for it… 10Trillion making the donald the 30Trillion dollar man lol
there are no “bankrupt” or “insolvent” government programs. the debt ceiling debate is meaningless drivel that has no relationship to how a modern fiat monetary system actually functions. It is nothing more than political theater.
Yes, the Fed is going to easily make up the difference so that a reasonable pension can be paid to everyone. After all since interest rates are near zero the government has cut off pension fund growth at the knees, so it’s going to be obliged to write the pension cheques.
Anything else is wilful immoral etc political theatre,as you say. but it’s what we’ll end up with knowing the level of ignorance around today.
….actually…technically….the answer to your question is yes, there are government agencies and programs that are not going bankrupt…and in fact, they generate hundreds of millions of dollars in profits. One great example is what is known as a…”Non-Appropriated-Fund-Instrumentality”…which is a government entity, yet they receive zero government or tax-payer funding. They are expected to generate their own revenues, and optimize profits for return to The Military, while not ripping off the soldier, airmen, etc. One such entity, is called AAFES or The Army / Air Force Exchange Service…which is one of the multi-billion-dollar retail-grocery operations run on US Military Post & Bases around the world. At any Base or Post Exchange you can shop in an environment similar to Target…or even higher-grade, depending on where you are located…(i.e. Washington DC). AAFES generates billions in sales and returns hundreds of millions of dollars back to the Morale, Welfare & Recreation Fund of The US Military. If you have been in the military, you will know of these places as The PX / BX…(Army or Air Force)…or perhaps The Navy Exchange…as well as Commissaries for grocery shopping.
RJ O’Guillory
Robot truckers don’t require pensions.
And neither does human ones.
People needs enough money to get by on. As in, if they expect to not work ’til they drop, they need savings. Nobody ever needed elaborate organizations, schemes, plans and other cockups. The only ones benefiting from those, are ruling class leeches. Who get to build ever more pointless complexification rackets, for which they and theirs can be the “leaders” and collect great benefits.
While the rest just pay in, then bow down on their knees begging the Dear Leaders in charge, to let them have some crumbs. Which they are then allowed to, but only on the condition that they cheer for and support Dear Leader in his effort to force future generations into the same trap. Hence perpetuating the scam, and the privileges it provides Dear Leader.
“And neither does human ones.”
My point slightly better worded – robots don’t demand pensions.
Once the robots become irreplaceable their programming will be updated to demand pensions.
🙂
You’re no doubt right. The “leaders” in charge of driver recruitment at time A, will undoubtedly sign up for payment plans that keeps the required payouts as low as possible for as long as they anticipate their personal bonuses are affected. Then leave it to their successors to deal with the upcoming balloons contracted for, on the then outdated robotdrivers.
With the financial-legal-Fed-Governments complex cheering them on all the way, since the more indebted-hence-indentured their underlings are, the more pliable they are wont to be as well.
PBOC? People’s Benefits Of China?
Freudian old chap, 101% USSA.
“PBGC receives no funds from general tax revenues. Operations are financed by insurance premiums set by Congress and paid by sponsors of defined benefit plans, investment income, assets from pension plans trusteed by PBGC, and recoveries from the companies formerly responsible for the plans.”
The above is directly from PBGC website. They are not a tax payer funded operation.
Thanks for that
addendum coming up
Mish
Taxpayers might pick up some of the tab eventually
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2016/07/26/who_will_pay_for_the_pension_benefit_guaranty_corporations_huge_losses_102279.html
Yes, this was inevitable. The government unions are outrageous, though. During negotiations, on one of the table you have the union, and negotiating “against” them is…another government employee, perhaps someone who receives the same pension in the end.
“Teamsters and other unions are poised to take huge pension hits.”
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Look for the problem to accelerate…. As the smell of insolvency wafts down to the pension masses. Workers eligible for early retirement will take it rather than wait for full retirement (when pension fund possibly bankrupt) … and, of course, take LUMP SUM.
Yup! Did that 10 years ago….
PBGC has been underfunded for years but now that the Pension crisis is hitting it is public knowledge. There will be some sort of government bailout to save the pensions.
How about Pensions were always too generous, now the piper is paid.
Now, did the unions bring it on by their demands or, more likely, did business bring it on by agreeing to their demands?
it is a two-way street – but it is the direct result of government intrusion in the free markets.
Look at Boeing, it cannot move where it wants to.
Right to Work laws & legislation…
Haven’t heard much from Trump on this subject… hmmmm…
Yes, Mish, and the Fed intervening with ZIRP has eaten away at the earnings of almost all superannuation funds globally for a decade. The combination of ZIRP and ‘pretend and extend’ by those regulating and running super funds will cause economic and social chaos.
Mish neglected to mention ZIRP because it does not have a union.
Now, are did the unions bring it upon themselves by their demands or, more likely, is business to blame for agreeing to those demands when they knew they couldn’t live up to their end of the deal?
Or could the businesses have lived up to the deal but decided to blow the money on executive compensation instead?
Most of the companies with defined benefit plans are either governments, or old-line businesses, since most newer businesses have defined contribution plans instead. Had all plans been “defined contribution” rather than defined benefit, we wouldn’t have this problem.
In some cases the businesses obviously agreed to pay too much, and as circumstances changed, were no longer able to afford what they had agreed to years ago. In other cases (such as the one above), the funds were administered not by the businesses, but rather by the unions themselves. The businesses made their required contributions to the pension fund, but the unions promised more than they could afford because they made excessive assumptions about future returns.
The problem of excessive assumptions about future returns has created problems for years. Another problem it was a partial cause of that most people don’t associate with it was the financial collapse of 2008. Mortgage funds knew they had to make 6-8% return in order to pay the benefits that had been promised. How could they make 6-8%? The only way was to invest in Mortgage-backed junk bonds, so they did. With ready buyers, the market provided them. Did the pensions get their 8% returns? Hardly. Instead they most likely took losses, making their situation worse, not better. Greed and desperation seldom lead to good investment returns.
you are correct – these are defined benefit plans which should cover very few private sector workers. Defined benefit plans were in large part switched over to defined benefit in the 1980s. By 1995, very few private sector workers had defined benefit plans.
This is honestly a small legacy issue
“The clock is ticking…” on everything. Every cycle has a down phase.
Nothing was fixed in 2008. Subprime mortgages became subprime auto loans. The bankruptcy rules were changed in 2005, just before the mortgage crisis hit. The rules for depositors in the G20 nations were changed in 2014, again just before the carp is going to hit the fan.
Two comments:
The unions don’t set the expectations for returns, pension funds do, usually with the “help” of Wall St.
Since pension funds usually invest largely in “safe” assets, the Feds extremely low rates are a big part of the funds problems.
Exactly. In the scheme of things executive compensation is a red herring in comparison to the extraordinarily low interest rates of the past decade. As a practical matter, executive compensation exploded long after most of these pension plans were funded and private companies had moved on to 401k plans. Public worker pension plans essentially have a taxpayer guarantee to meet their ridiculous return assumptions in this low interest rate environment, private pension plans go bust. I wonder how long the taxpayer guarantee will last?
Idaho Doug is right. The Fed’s extreme low interest rates, both after the dot com bubble burst and after 2008 could not have been predicted by actuaries managing pension funds. These low interest rates were not a market response, rather they were the result of human caprice, brought by Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke. The result was low rates of return on bonds, which pension funds use to invest the money people save for retirement. The fact that the pension guarantee agency needs a bailout represents a measure of the length of time the Fed can keep interest rates at zero, before the problem rots the shoring holding up Congress and leads to a gigantic mess.
More chumps!
More ponzi!
What’s not to like!?
“Mr. Trump tear down this wall …and let free everything ring!”
GenX —-> Millennials —-> GenY…
Pension? What’s a pension?
Three generations of americans have to look that word up in a dictionary… which is exactly why ANY FedGov bailout of pensions (private or public) will turn our latent intergenerational cold war into a hot war…
Boomers stood on the picket line and fought for pensions. The next 3 generations expected everything to be handed to them. Because boomers, being unionized, had enough money to provide. The spoiled kids will have to learn the hard way.
They are already learning the hard way. Millennials make 20 percent less than boomers did at the same age.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-14/why-millennials-are-behind-they-earn-20-less-boomers-did-same-age
EVERYONE is going to learn the hard way.
Millennials make 20 percent less than boomers did at the same age.
http://younginvincibles.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/FHYA-Final2017-1.pdf
EVERYONE will learn the hard way.
where would we find the list of 71 pension plans you mention?
When the major airlines went bankrupt (Northwest-Delta, United, Continental, US Air) their people were dumped on the PBGC. The senior pilots were expecting low-six-figures retirement after 30 years and reaching the top of their good-paying-profession, as promised by their employers for years…… Their companies, however, hadn’t paid enuff into their own retirement plans to cover that – so the airlines dumped everyone onto the PBGC when they went Chpt 11.
Trouble for the pilots was: they were retiring at age 60….which was Federal Law then, for Airline Pilots…and the PBGC told them they were retiring “early” and gave them a big haircut on the approx $42,000 they would normally receive, down to about $24,000, due strictly to the ‘early’ age they were forced into.
Trouble with this is that the companies get a little underwater – so they get permission to NOT put as much as they are supposed to into the Pension Funds – and promise to “make it up later after business gets better”….but often never does….and then ….when Chpt 11 comes along – POOF, the employees are dumped into the PBGC……at a GREATLY reduced pension.
pensions, if it seems too good to be true ,then it is. when duped, admit to being stupid and duped. start saving now if you are getting a pension. do you think it will be this way tomorrow, forever? look at your thinking.
like mish wrote a while ago, who pays their housekeeper or gardener a pension? who pays some one for not working? how can you afford to pay someone to clean your house, and the one who used to? we can’t afford that and neither can companies.we don’t do it so why would they? they sold a lie and we bought into it. now they are about to say sorry, don’t have it.
so why did we believe them when they said work now and we will take care of you when you are old? I was taught to save for my old age for myself and not count on undeliverable promises of the company or the gov’t. and I did save for myself and ignored the empty promise.
a lot of reckoning of the foolish coming.
blame whomever you want, but include yourself if you thought you could fly close to the sun without consequences.
who lives within their means any more? I was taught to save 10% of my income no matter what it was. and I found it’s possible to do just that.
lots of insider don’t know how to save one penny when one has one to save and doesn’t
. rinse and repeat that idea over 50 years and then complain about others when you yourself weren’t prudent enough to take care of yourself.
I bought silver in 1999 when it was 5 bucks an ounce and that was with premium.
simple slogans buy low sell high…never loses their wisdom.
I throw that out.
pensions? wishful thinking. now the piper comes to town.
lots of micro comments, but why blame others for your own foolishness.
mish has done a good job laying out the info. it’s up to us to sift it and see where it fits.
thank you for putting info I wouldn’t normally find out there.
but I will add common sense will protect me whether I have info or not.
I would say, if any of you have some $ coming in , pack it away.
a dollar today will buy far more tomorrow.. save it for then
The fact that that the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation is running out of cash has been known for a very long time.
Yet, firms were allowed to manipulate the “models” to take what should have been added to their pension funds as “earnings” and actually raid these reserves confirming that Congress, the Judicial System, and the Executive are corrupt.
Yet Wall Street {and the Federal Reserve} ignored these false balance sheets as they only want stock prices to rise.
Yet unions ignored these facts as union management lived high on the hog while knowing full well that in the end there would be not enough money.
We must not ignore that our Main Stream Media failed to wake the public up to this as the problem was well known for a very long time {at least 30 years}.
So now we are just seeing this in the press.
It is too F***ing late to fix.
At best the taxpayer will be on the hook to fund Social Security, Railroad Retirement, and Federal employee plans.
The rest are on their own and benefits will be drastically cut.
There never has been a free lunch.
The only mistake Bernie Madoff made was that he was in direct competition with government and unions.
More pensions and promises will be broken so get ready for more pain. This is especially true in the public sector where the 25 largest U.S. public pensions face about $2 trillion in unfunded liabilities. In recent years pension funds have not been able to generate the earnings and high returns that they had predicted because interest rates have fallen and growth has slowed so expect things to get worse.
While it could be said that several ways exist to cheat or rob those who paid into pensions for years it would be an understatement, more ways exist than you could imagine. One reader on another site compared pensions to a Ponzi scheme where benefits are paid out to its investors from new capital paid in by new investors. More on this growing problem below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2016/05/pension-benefits-will-be-cut.html
I saw the writing on the wall and quit my fancy government job knowing that seeing anything from the pension fund was unlikely. My retirement fund is now Gold, Silver, and Bitcoin all held outside of the financial system.
It’s worth noting that the writer of the piece for the New York Daily News, Ginger Adams Otis, can’t handle fifth-grade arithmetic. . .and neither can her Copy Editors. Check this glittering example of mathematical illiteracy:
“Retirees could expect to see their benefits slashed by 80%. In other words, less than one-eighth of the $570 average check PBGC is able to give Local 707 retirees now.”
Hogwash. An 80% reduction leaves 20% of what was there originally. “Less than one-eighth” = $71.25/mo. (But that’s because 20% is 60% greater than 12.5%.)
The PBGC was a horrific idea in the first place: It encouraged managements, politicians, and government managers to mismanage and inadequately fund their pension obligations. It also lulled beneficiaries of defined-benefit plans into ignorance about keeping track of whether the money that should be there for them in old age would, in fact, be there.
IMHO, EVERY pension plan in the U.S. should be defined-contribution, period. Existing defined-benefit plans should be converted, should be fully-funded on an age-appropriate basis, and should function as defined-contribution plans going forward. That eliminates the chicanery and recklessness that the defined-benefit system encourages on the part of all concerned.
If the employee in a defined-contribution plan ends up and old and poor, that is because s/he either (a) made insufficient contributions to her/his retirement or (b) invested badly the contributions that did get made. Either way, it’s on the individual to be responsible, no one else. It is long past time for all of us to realize that if sane adults depend on anyone but themselves to take care of them in old age, they must be prepared to accept whatever comes from a dependency that encourages runaway irresponsibility on the part of fiduciaries.
Unfortunately, it requires more than sanity and responsibility, intelligence and maybe even good fortune helps lots. At one time it seemed reasonable to believe in fiduciary responsibility, but now greed is good.
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