The preposterous anti-Trump drumbeat from mainstream media is never-ending.
The latest non-news revelation is Donald Trump Jr posts emails from Russia offering material on Clinton: ‘I love it’.
Why should anyone give a rat’s ass?
Donald Trump Jr has been forced to release damning emails that reveal he eagerly embraced what he was told was a Russian government attempt to damage Hillary Clinton’s election campaign.
The stunning disclosure raised questions over whether campaign laws were broken and why senior Trump associates failed to report a hostile act by a foreign power.
The emails show music promoter Rob Goldstone telling the future US president’s son that “the crown prosecutor of Russia” had offered “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father”.
Full Text
Anyone wishing to see the alleged “stunning disclosure” can do so here: Full text of the emails between Donald Trump Jr and Rob Goldstone
Ho Hum. So what?
Deep Trouble but Not that Deep
Here’s a curious headline from The Guardian: Don’t call it treason: Trump advisers’ legal jeopardy is deep, but not that deep.
Supposedly trouble runs deep but not deep. That’s creative headlining at its finest or worst, whichever you prefer. The answer depends on whether or not any laws were broken.
Has Donald Trump Jr broken the law? And what kind of legal trouble, exactly, might he or other Trumpworld figures be in, culminating with the president himself? Have we just gotten a step closer to impeachment? Or is that state of play basically unchanged?
Whatever you do, don’t call it “treason”, warned Fordham law school professor Jed Shugerman, author of the Shugerblog commentary site.
“As a legal matter, it’s irresponsible for anyone to be calling this ‘treason’,” he said. “These terms not only have legal meaning but they also can be part of overplaying a legal or rhetorical hand.”
“Treason” is unusually narrowly defined in the Constitution as aiding enemies in wartime, Shugerman said, with the framers, having just fought a revolution, working with acute awareness of the potential explosiveness of the charge.
Instead, the strongest case (currently) against Trump Jr appears to fall under federal campaign finance law, which prohibits campaigns from soliciting contributions from foreign entities. If you are running for office in the US, you are not supposed to seek or take help from non-Americans. Bernie Sanders knows this, which is why he hit Hillary Clinton over foreign donations to her family’s foundation.
Up for debate is whether “opposition research” potentially provided by Moscow to Trump Jr would qualify as a “thing of value” under campaign finance law, which explicitly prohibits “contributions, donations, expenditures, and disbursements”.
Actual Donations vs Non-News
The Clinton Foundation received actual monetary donations. Trump received useless information from Russians hoping to switch the conversation to something else. Even if the information was useful, so what? Why should anyone care?
The Democrats just will not give up. Under the federal anti-fraud statute, “it is a federal crime to conspire with anyone, including a foreign government, to ‘deprive another of the intangible right of honest services’.”
Of course, it is ridiculous to presume Trump sponsored hacking or “conspired” to deprive anyone of honest services.
Good grief, it’s amazing how flimsy these charges are.
Moreover, even if some claim can be made against certain individuals, they do not hit Trump unless he authorized them.
DNC Conspiracy
There is a far greater chance of conspiracy, perhaps even a likely chance of conspiracy in the illegal campaign donations, and coverups in the Hillary campaign.
Last week, Fox News dropped a bombshell report officially confirming, via anonymous FBI sources, what many had suspected for quite some time, that murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich was the WikiLeaks source for leaks which proved that the DNC was intentionally undermining the campaign of Bernie Sanders.
In addition to exposing the corruption of the DNC, the leaks cost Debbie Wasserman Shcultz her job as Chairwoman.
Those who seek to investigate a real scandal would do well to consider the ZeroHedge article Seth Rich Plot Thickens: “DC Insider” Speaks of “Complete Panic” at Highest Levels of DNC.
Sick of Partisan Politics
I do not defend Trump lightly. I do not even like the man.
And if the charges were reversed, I would not be alleging Hillary committed treason or was guilty of anything at all by talking to the Russians.
All those attacking Trump on highly questionable grounds need to get a grip on reality. The charges against Hillary are not only worse, they are more warranted.
Unfortunately, this is the sad reality:
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
The real story (being ignored) is Donny Jr immediately released all the emails etc.
Hillary and the DNC on the other hand, when told to preserve the evidence, proceeded to “lose” it and smash the computers and smart phones. Lucky for her Comey was in charge, because when has the FBI ever allowed anyone to get away with that before?
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I think that the real story, when one connects the dots, especially timing of events and links between Fusion GPS and the FBI, is that this could well have been a classic FBI sting operation aimed at the entire Trump campaign. FBI is notorious for this sort of thing, but never before to a presidential campaign.
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The question I’m not seeing asked is why did he lie about the existence of these communications for the last 10 months? He’s been asked a dozen times if he had any contact with Russians and he said no, no, no, stop asking. These emails and this meeting expose that as a flat out lie. Why?
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Why did he lie? Because that’s what Trumps do. The bar has been set even lower for presidential lying.
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Because there is no there there? It wasn’t a government person, it was a bunch of nonsense
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“Lucky for her Comey was in charge, because when has the FBI ever allowed anyone to get away with that before?”
In September 2004, the FBI warned congress om massive mortgage fraud. Did the FBI arrest anyone? Not that i am aware of. Congress didn’t do anything either.
Upcoming… massive subprime auto loan fraud scandal. No one is doing anything about that either.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
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“I love it” Naked Gun hype vs. reality.
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If you watch CNN, MSLGBT, ABC, CBS, or NBC, I can save you hours per week with the news of the next 3 1/2 years:
Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia,
Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia,
OK, I’ve saved you tons of time and trouble of wading through bullshit, go do something useful.
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You mean NBC is not reliable? They brought us MSNBC and gave us Brian Williams as a national nightly news anchor. Bought out Buzzfeed because they thought that would render them some scoops. It only gets worse from there.
Sarc / off
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NBC has real news. Like when they reported the Erdogan coup more than a 1/2 hour before it started. Pretty amazing, eh. All documented.
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Alphabet soup of loosers wihout judgement.
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It’s POLITICS.
The first casualty is always TRUTH.
Do not expect either side to tell the TRUTH.
Both sides LIE.
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Exactly
Trump and Hillary are both liars
Which is worse is typically a partisan view
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Trump likes Americans.
There’s that.
I’m enjoying the fact that liberals still have Hillary tied around their necks as they flail away on Russia. Hopefully we get some better Republicans midterm and kick this lazy bunch now in congress to the curb.
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The fact that Trump hasn’t done anything he said he was going to do will be tied around the necks of republicans even more. All the democrats have to do is steal Trumps election promises and they will take back Congress.
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How do you expect the man to accomplish anything when he has the courts, the RINOS and the Democrats sabotaging his every move?
Trump is only one man. He can’t even issue an executive order without the liberal kangeroo court judges striking it down and forcing it to SCOTUS.
You must have the illusion that the POTUS has unlimited power.
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The Guardian is a rag posing as broadsheet. No comments allowed on their site. No sir you will be told what to think and your opinion is not wanted nor needed.
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“Why should anyone give a rat’s ass?”
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Because if Dumbo Donald Trump had any common sense, he would have told the Russian contact that if they had such serious information about Clinton, then they should contact the FBI and share the info with them.
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Really?
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Why should Trump do that?
Is it illegal to have information about Hillary?
Don’t be a jackass
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Lindsey Graham AND the FBI Director nominee agrees with me! [roflol]
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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) pressed Wray on whether the president’s oldest son acted appropriately when he agreed to meet with a Russian lawyer last year after he was told she was working on behalf of a Kremlin effort to elect his father.
At first, Wray declined to comment on what Graham initially described as “the email problems we’ve had with Donald Jr.” But under questioning, Wray eventually suggested that people in similar situations should call the FBI.
“If I got a call from somebody saying the Russian government wants to help Lindsey Graham get reelected, they’ve got dirt on Lindsey Graham’s opponent, should I take that meeting?” Graham asked.
“I would think you would want to consult with some good legal advisers before you did that,” Wray said.
“So the answer is, should I call the FBI?” Graham pushed.
“You are going to be the director of the FBI, pal,” Graham said, seeming a bit agitated. “So here is what I want you to tell every politician. If you get a call from somebody suggesting that a foreign government wants to help you by disparaging your opponent, tell us all to call the FBI.”
=====> “To the members of this committee, any threat or effort to interfere with our elections from any nation state or any non-state actor is the kind of thing the FBI would want to know,” Wray responded. <========
“Alright, I will take that we should call you,” Graham said. “And that's a great answer.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/12/christopher-wray-confirmation-hearing-key-moments-240452
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Was this one of those, “Made for TV” Senate horse and pony shows? of course it was. It’s the same as open board meetings at large corporations,,, All the mainstream talking points are picked for the camera, but all the dirty wrangling was done in the preceding weeks behind closed doors. If you really think there is a such thing as Republicans and Democrats anymore, you are sadly mistaken. Just look at the so called health care bills. The wrangle about insurance affordability, which is really a bail out, then they ignore all the horribly damaging regulations that F’ed up the system in the first place. We are the ones that are getting fucked here… both of us and 335 million other people. No doubt those political pigs all go off to the bars afterwards to guzzle some beer and laugh at all us.
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They should contact the FBI?
LMAO, former FBI Director James Comey contacted The New York Times the minute he thought he had some juice on President Trump from a supposed private conversation.
They should contact WikiLeaks.
Wait, don’t do that! Seth Rich tried that and the DNC had him killed for it. Better yet, plainly reveal what “you have” in a transparent and public announcement as Donald Jr just did.
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Why? So the FBI can cover it up?
Every politician would have done what Jr did.
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Dumbo Joe: the pres did not tell the FBI or anyone else because he did not know about it. Apparently CNN didn’t tell you that Donny Jr. never told his Dad about it because he said it turned out to be an insignificant nothing waste of time; which it was. But you are welcome to waste your time going on obsessing about this non-event. Sad!
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Whether anyone likes it or not, opposition research is a part of politics. Has been for a very long time.
It doesn’t matter one whit either *who* does the research or *where* the information comes from. The only thing that matters is the veracity of the content. If you’re a politician and you don’t want something you do to come back and haunt you, don’t do it.
In this case, even if the “hacked” e-mails came from the Russians, they were apparently real and therefore truthful.
Does it matter that the Russian government sponsored the “research”? Not even. And if Trump did know, and then used the info? Not illegal. In fact, if I were him I would have been screaming it from the hilltops. If there was *that* much info the Russians were able to dig up, imagine what else might be out there. And if they (our “sworn enemy”) can dig it up, they could use whatever else they find against her – as could anyone else…
The reason the Democrats ( and deep state Republicans) are beating the drums on this is to distance everyone from the *facts* of what they did during the primaries and during the tenure of Bush/Obama as shown by the e-mails and files on Wikileaks.
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FOX News retracted that Seth Rich story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/05/23/fox-news-retracts-controversial-story-on-seth-richs-death-and-alleged-wikileaks-contact
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“I want to say this to you, my loyal audience, which is very important: Please do not interpret what I’m saying tonight to mean anything,” Hannity said.
Yep. That’s about where we stand with this whole enormous charade. Let me know when Julian Assange publicly denies that the Wiki source was not a DNC insider.
Meanwhile, the FBI still has not been given access to the DNC server and the Rich murder investigation is already in the cold case file.
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The implications of this Rich story are so great that we know there is some real threat in it, given the media refuses to even touch it.
If there was any balance AT ALL, Trump’s accusations would be completely shadowed by Hillary, Obama and the DNC. Odd how silent Bernie has been given the overwhelming PROOF of conspiracy against him….oh, that’s right, proof is irrelevant given it was leaked, hacked or otherwise disclosed without their permission. When justice is defined by confession and everything else is inadmissable conjecture there is NONE.
What is fact is that EVERYONE knows what the Clinton’s are, but many do not care as long as their agenda is preserved and pursued…..even when that agenda is 100% indoctrination.
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Mad Bernie is not going to say anything. The DNC paid him off with a 900,000.00 property just before he was going to contend the DNC primary process and the leaked emails. Notice how no one in the media is discussing them nor is the DNC denying them. Why? Because they were the truth and Bernie like so many of our politicians profited by keeping his mouth shut.
Both parties suck and I do not like Trump but Hillary got a by when you or I would have been put on trial for the offenses.
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Seth in a bad neifhborhood late at night alone. What could possibly go wrong? The only suspicious thing I see is that none of the numerous cameras captured anything.
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Then you know nothing about it. Just as they hoped you wouldn’t.
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Greg,
All valuables (wallet, cellphone, watch, keys, etc.) were recovered from Rich’s body as the body was not disturbed at all by the assailant(s).That should raise suspicions, actually even more so given the conditions in the neighborhood.
The hit man knows not to touch anything! When you do, you’re leaving all sorts of DNA and other evidence at the scene. Just a local thug making a random robbery? The evidence is not supportive of that and so the police investigation was shut down. It’s unbelievable, but Occam’s Razor cannot be denied here.
BTW, what a decision by Assange to go ahead and release the findings. He knows his source has been killed and he goes through all of Aug and Sep before finally releasing in early Oct. The polls upholding the “Hillary is winning” storyline the whole time.
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According to Lee Stranahan, there was one thing missing, but since Lee got the info from a fellow journalist with a promise of secrecy till some time in the future, he wouldn’t say what it was. Lots of facts turned out to be false, and I am just waiting to see like everyone else. Right now it just looks like a botched robbery.
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Same questions.
When does this become a certifiable mental illness.
Are we nearly there yet?
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NYTimes laid off half their copy editors. CNN dropped below PeeWee Herman in the ratings. They crave attention.
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Trump Wins Republican Nomination. Immediately following:
DNC -> Fusion GPS -> Steele Dodgy Dossier
DNC -> Fusion GPS -> Rob Goldstone
DNC -> Fusion GPS -> FBI -> FISA -> James Comey
Get it?
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“Moreover, even if some claim can be made against certain individuals, they do not hit Trump unless he authorized them.”
Well yes! Did trump authorize then? We do not know but we can have such fun crippling his presidency by demanding access to all and every record to trawl through, not of course in the hope of finding anything incriminating but in the confident expectation that at some point Trump will baulk at our outrageous antics and then our righteous indignation will be at full flood with an obstruction of justice charge. Now that would be serious.
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Definitely about media business revenues/profits, not just politics. Russia-phobia is a news/infotainment industry soap opera newly popular with Trump-haters. A profitable “nothing burger,” as a CNN anchor candidly put it. Good business as long as it lasts. Boosts media viewership and advertising revenues/profits. Then at peak popularity peddle the media “content” businesses for big bucks to suckers like AT&T, and start anew. Trump and Russia is inflating the fake news businesses into bubble territory.
There is also an additional DNC/Neo-con conspiracy angle. The Russian lawyer Trump Jr. met worked for Mr. Steel’s Fusion company, which created the fake Russia dossier purchased by the DNC and given gratis to McCain who handed it to the FBI with instructions to investigate the Trump campaign. Thus, this scam may fall into the campaign dirty tricks category. Akin to those campaign operatives paid to create violence at Trump rallies in Chicago and elsewhere (why no investigation?). Campaign Propaganda 101, straight from the 1917 Lenin/Bolshevik revolution playbook. Show time!
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If true, it sounds like entrapment.
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“Why should anyone give a rat’s ass?”
Lots of drooling sheeple out there.
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“A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
So where’s the outrage over the Ukrainian govt colluding with the DNC to issue press releases declaring Trump’s associates being under invesntigation?
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Looking at the Big Picture little Donnie’s actions contradict Trump’s assertion that there is nothing to the Russia election meddling story. That’s the rats ass here. Mueller has some more dots to connect with this to help paint the picture.
Little Donnie got religion and released the emails AFTER the Times told him they had copies of the emails and would release them. He jumped before he was pushed.
Donnie’s claim that he didn’t tell the old man about this is simply unbelievable given the nature of Trump operations.
Finally, what a cast of characters the Trumps run with. Rob Goldstone as a key player, shades of Jack Ruby.
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Where’s the meddling?
Is providing information meddling?
Was any information even provided?
Most importantly, what law was broken?
Please address the last question in regards to Hillary.
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Mueller loves it, too. LOL
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“Take the best qualities of Trump and Hillary then merge them into a single person. We would still have a damn lousy president.”
Hit the nail on the head. Well said Mish!
DavidC
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I’m starting to question the intelligence of certain people around here. Hey everyone, Hillary is not the President, Trump is.
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If it wasn’t a crime for Hillary to pay a foreign operative to dig up dirt on trump and give it to her then it’s not a crime for Trump jr to meet with a foreign operative offering dirt on Hilary.
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The fact the Trump administration is repeatedly caught lying through their teeth means nothing to people around here, because you know, the Clintons were liars.
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What has Trump been a repeated liar about?
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And of his lies (supposedly), what were their implications? From most I have seen they were vanity issues, ego. Not national policy or corruption.
Now, let us look at known conspiracies of Obama Clinton.
Shall we make a list, or is it as Obama said…not a hint of corruption? Lies may reveal a person character, but their are lies and then there are damned lies. Not all lies are equal. The size of a crowd is not the same as Benghazi, fast and furious, IRS, Clinton foundation, wiping my private server with a rag. God, this is SO sad.
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Lock her up? China? Anything he said about day 1? Russia? Golf? No one will lose coverage (hasn’t broken that one yet, become he can’t pass any legislation, despite Rs controlling both houses).
I’ll give him a pass on the wall for now.
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Donny has signed plenty of legislation, red. You just don’t get it reported on CNN, MSNBC, or WaPo.
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If it wasn’t a crime when Hilary paid aUkrainian operative to dig up dirt on Trump them it’s not a crime for Trump jr to meet with a foreign operative who offers dirt on Hilary.
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I never said anything about a crime. The reason the story is big, is that the Trump Administration has been saying all along any description of Russian meddling was, “Fake News!”. Well, here it is in black and white. No one seems to be denying the authenticity of the email. Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner were all there. What’s the opposite of fake? Oh yeah, real.
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And it still is. Russians gave them nothing and there is no “collusion”.
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There is meddling. Read the emails again.
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Meddling…..oohh!
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We don’t know that the Russians gave them nothing, now do we?
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Many, including Mish, have screamed, “fake news” about Russian meddling, and now you shrug?
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Pray tell what is the news here?
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Now red wants Trumpers to prove a negative. That’s an old trick. Or perhaps he does not know how dumb that is?
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“There is meddling. Read the emails again.”
Of coarse there was meddling by the American mainstream media. Of coarse there was meddling by various European leaders allied to the U.S.
Of coarse there was meddling by the DNC.
Tell me who was not meddling in our election.
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Russia is a bit different, don’t you think?
What about the repeated denials from the President? That means nothing to you?
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“Russia is a bit different, don’t you think?”
No.
Russia did not move NATO to the Russian border. Russia did not overthrow Yanukovich. Russia has not been overthrowing governments in the Middle East.
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It was wise to quickly release the E-mails because it shows this is a great deal of nothing. The idea of having a press that is free to cover the news is generally linked to the idea they will be fair because such a freedom generally comes with a degree of responsibility. News fed to us under a large degree of bias fails to meet this goal.
While some people find it clever news heavily skewed to disparage Trump and comprised of a relentless barrage of attacks does little to inform, bring us together or create calm between Nations. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-free-press-and-their-responsibility.html
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It was wise to quickly release the E-mails because it shows this is a great deal of nothing.
Precisely!
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He only released them because he knew the NY Times was planning to release them. He took advantage of a reporter who was willing to wait for a quote from DJR on the matter and in the interim released the emails before the NY Times did. Basically his hand was forced, so nothing to praise him about.
This matters because it shows how the Trump folks have been lying all along when they consistently denied that there had ever been meetings with the Russians in regard to the election. It begs the question: what else has been a lie?
And BTW – Hillary ain’t the president, so the equivalency that Trump defenders are straining to present is totally false. Any misdeeds by HRC (and I’m sure there are plenty) are simply not relevant unless you are being deliberately and willfully ignorant and obtuse.
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So cheating and corruption only matter if you win.
And Trump lying all along about Russia? Really. One Russian lawyer offering something she did not produce….the evidence of which is nothing was ever reported. If Trump received this damning Intel, what was it? Did he colluded by simply knowing or listening to purported allegations. Of all the horrible attacks on Hillary, how many were untrue…or does that matter? For progressives, ultimately the TRUTH is the enemy, as they have been on the attack for anyone exposing them. Of course “leaks” from reliable sources within the government, most of which have been lies, is the only truth they claim.
And if the NYTs was going to release Jrs emails, please explain exactly how they were legally going to do this? Or is process and methods only legally or morally relevant regarding Trump? It sure seems that all those leaked or hacked DNC and Podesta emails were regarded as irrelevant, given their dubious origins, regardless of how damning (and not denied) they are.
You cannot have it both ways and suggest that privacy, the rule of law and morality only apply to winners, especially when the loser’s actions were probably so much worse. There has been nothing to indicate ANY crime by Trump, yet so many are ready to indict him for lying, like all of the sudden that is now a high crime.
If this is our new paradigm of justice, then let’s parade each and every elected official before the ministry of truth and compare their public and private statements for hypocrisy, veracity and FACT. Let the chips fall where they may.
The ONLY reason this is playing out is that the media will NOT put any scrutiny on progressives.period.
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I do know why some people care – If a member of the Department of State did exactly the same thing as Donald Jr. he would be curtailed from post, possibly lose his security clearance and possibly be fired or even prosecuted. Even failure to report a Russian contact could result in similar penalties. Lying about the meeting to a law enforcement official is actually a felony.
Once again, some people are above the law. He admits hoping to gain information from an enemy of the state to alter an election and also lied about it. In most cases conspiracy carriers the same penalties as actually committing the crime.
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Two words for you:
Hillary and Clinton
Hillary violated numerous laws with regard to classified information as Secretary of State – not just a lowly “member” of the Department, but the damn boss. She committed many crimes including conspiracy.
Not fired. Not prosecuted. Still has her clearance.
As a private citizen Don Jr. was free to take any info from any source (yes, even the vewy scawy RUSSIANS) and use it to help his dad or hinder his opponent. There is no crime there – so there can be no conspiracy.
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What law was violated?
Please enlighten us
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“He admits hoping to gain information from an enemy of the state to alter an election and also lied about it. ”
No. He said there was nothing to it and the recent disclosure confirms as much. The Democratics actually DID collude with Russia via the Steele character who used his diplomatic ties to the Kremlin to produce (fake) damaging info on Trump.
“Once again, some people are above the law.”
Yes, that would be Hillary Clinton, but we already know that.
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The MSM is like a cartoon. Funny they don´t realize it themselves.
Guess they wish they were real men, when hard times come.
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When will that be?
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To be honest, it is now. young people can´t afford a place to live in the entire western hemisphere.
Any bigger problem than that?
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If you visited a foreign country, say Mexico, and some man said that he had information on some American doing something illegal, what is your obligation? If some Russian says he has information about some American official doing something illegal, what is your obligation?
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If their claims had any veracity, I would present it to authorities. If they failed to act I would release it to the appropriate media. Concealing evidence of a crime is illegal….unless you are a progressive doing it for the good of the people.
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“Concealing evidence of a crime is illegal… ”
Tell it to Anthony Weiner, would you please?
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The left leaning media has learned from Fox News that innuendo and conjecture can be used to bring in like minded viewers. The right was fine with that before, but now that the tactic is being used against them, the sense of outrage makes conservatives come off as whiny. It’s a big waste of time for those of us who had hoped Trump would actually do something, but so far he runs the risk of turning into a whiner himself, and frankly, the more he turns into Hillary as he slowly gets taken in by Wall Street, the less I care.
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“the left leaning media” has dominated the majority of all media for decades. It is the progressives that were Butt-hurt by Fox offering an apposing “innuendo”, so much so that many like Obama boycotted them for years. Trump has not refused any of the numerous media interviews, regardless of their obvious and stated bias.
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When I went searching for stories on Bill Clinton’s $500,000 “fee” for giving a speech in Moscow (in 2010, when Hillary was Secretary of State) here is one story that turned up:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/04/five-clinton-russia-bombshells-progressives-yawned-over/
Let’s face it. Our political system is corrupted by big money interests and has been corrupted for years. The numbers got a whole lot bigger after the Citizens United decision in 2010, which allowed for the flow of virtually unlimited amounts of money into Federal election campaigns.
Donny Jr.’s conversations with a Russian lawyer seem almost quaint in comparison to the Russian takeover of a US uranium mine, the help provided by the Clintons and the sums of money flowing to the Clintons and their foundation. Do any readers have any national security concerns? Uranium can be used in the manufacturing of nuclear weapons.
Even the NY Times covered the role of the Clintons and the Russian takeover of the US uranium mine: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/23/us/clinton-foundation-donations-uranium-investors.html
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The State Department had little to do with that decision, but yes, the Clinton’s are dirty. That’s why Hillary lost. Trump is dirty too. The only difference is Trump is a moron.
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Trump beat how may candidates, was it, including Hillary? What has happened to CNN’s ratings? You call Trump a moron?
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I read that Mrs. Clinton had to sign off on the deal as Secretary of State before it went to Obama for his final approval.
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Nobody cares about the Clintons anymore. Bringing up the Clintons in order to deflect attention from Trump isn’t going to work.
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You only wish nobody would care about Clintons anymore, Drango. I will stop caring about those crooks when justice has prevailed and they are both in jail. Or better yet, 3 of them.
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It’s an old, shopworn tactic the left uses when, as Drango does in the post above, you move yourself away from the scene of your crimes with the admonishing of it as old news. From the past. No longer relevant. The future is what counts, not the past. Yada, yada, yada.
“Hold them accountable!” ~ Andrew Breitbart, on about a million occasions concerning nefarious actions by Democrats
The GOP pushovers who couldn’t muster up enough spine to take down Bill Clinton after The Starr Commission spent some $89M investigating his crimes just will not cut it any longer.
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The Democrats just will not give up. Under the federal anti-fraud statute, “it is a federal crime to conspire with anyone, including a foreign government, to ‘deprive another of the intangible right of honest services’.”
The mainstream media colluded with the Hillary campaign.
The mainstream media does not provide honest services to the American people.
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Another, as a CNN star would call it, “nothingburger”. Proper analysis from this guy, as usual:
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For months the White House position was there was “no contact” with the Russians during the campaign. We know now that’s not true. The question is, “How many other meetings took place with Russians we don’t know about”?
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WATCH THE VIDEO… then get back with us.
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The question is, “How many other meetings took place with Russians we don’t know about”?
We certainly don’t know what meetings took place between Hillary and the Russians. Remember, she went to Russia with a big red reset button. What collusion with the Russians was going on there? What collusion was involved when Obama assured the Russians that he would have room to maneuver after the 2012 election? What collusion occurred when Clinton meddled in the 1996 Russian election? Did that collusion result in Putin later coming to power?
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The KNOWN collusion with Russians to obtain “donations” to the Clinton Foundation (which dropped to near zero after she was no longer Sec State) are covered in the video.
Trump SR. claims he was never told about the meeting and the same is claimed by Trump Jr.:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-russian-lawyer-what-happened-crimes-legal-name-collusion-steele-dossier-timeline-explained-a7834566.html
When he was first asked about the meeting, the President’s eldest son told The Times that it was primarily about adoptions and mentioned nothing about Ms Clinton. The Russian government had retaliated against the US’s passage of the Magnitsky Act – a law that blacklists suspected Russian human rights abusers – by halting adoptions of Russian children by Americans.
But when presented with The Times’s findings, Mr Trump offered more details: “After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Mrs Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”
He said Ms Veselnitskaya then began discussing the adoption of Russian children and mentioned the Magnitsky Act. “It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr Trump Jr said.
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Versus this about which NOTHING was said in the MSM about how this was collusion with a foreign national because it helped the Hildabeast. This was a PAID FOR effort by RINOs who should ALL be voted out of office on the very next opportunity:
Former British Spy Christopher Steele Prepared Explosive Trump Memo
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-british-spy-christopher-steele-prepared-explosive-trump-memo-n705891
An explosive 35-page memo on Donald Trump’s relationship with Russia, which contains unverified allegations and which Trump called a “complete fabrication” Wednesday, was written by a former British intelligence officer working for Orbis Business Intelligence, Ltd., two people familiar with the matter told NBC News.
Separately, Rohit Kachroo, security editor for NBC News British partner ITV News, reported that the man’s name is Christopher David Steele, a former officer with MI6 who was posted to Moscow in the 1990s. The memo was originally generated on behalf of Republican opponents of Trump’s but was later shopped to the media by Democrats.
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That is one of the things I like about Donald: Both the DNC and the RINOS hate him.
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So, to repeat – a N O T H I N G B U R G E R and if EITHER the Dems or the RINOs want to press the NON-issue, from what is KNOWN and widely published in the MSM, they have FAR more to lose on the exact same issue than Trump Sr. or Jr.
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Wow! Talk about the galactically stupid. Poor Donald Jr. never had a chance. Don the Con Sr. is a grifter. Trump said in an interview, “I like kids,” he said. “I mean, I won’t do anything to take care of them.” He farmed out his children out when they were young and rarely saw them (Fake father). He has cheated people his whole life and now you “people” who have voted him into office are praising him and over-looking all his shortcomings. He has picked your pockets and now you are standing with your pants around your ankles and your pencil dicks blowing in the wind. Now Trump and his band of idiots in the White House are bowing to the Russians and you applaud him. This is not about DNC vs. RNC. This is about a megalomaniac psychopath with no integrity or compassion, who possesses the intelligence of a peanut and appeals to his base of lost souls. He just keeps on lying and you keep on believing even when you know he is lying. Next you will tell me that the only station that tells the truth is Fox and the only honest talk hosts are Alex Jones and Hannity. When he uses words like “crooked” and “fake”, he is just projecting his view of himself. Get the needle out of your arms and wake up.
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Trump and his band of idiots in the White House are bowing to the Russians and you applaud him. This is not about DNC vs. RNC. This is about a megalomaniac psychopath with no integrity or compassion, who possesses the intelligence of a peanut and appeals to his base of lost souls.
Get the needle out of your arms and wake up.
Wow
Get your head out of your ass and wake up
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Are you a cartoon?
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DON´T YOU HAVE ANY FUCKING SENCE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO YOUR COUNTRY. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A CENTRAL BANK IS.
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I agree the media is over-hyping by calling it treason. But have to disagree with your comparison to the Clinton foundation taking foreign money. The Clinton foundation is not the Clinton campaign. And regardless of what level of illegality this does amount to, it was incredibly stupid. Trump junior’s defense seems to be that while he intended to conspire with the Russians because he was inept at it, no crime was committed. He should have contacted the FBI and not gone to the meeting. And judging by the released emails at the very least the whole thing was politically dumb.
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Conspire? To do WHAT? Their is no evidence of conspiracy to do anything and what I fail to understand is how is obtaining knowledge a conspiracy….especially if it was the truth? The claim was that this lawyer had PROOF of nefarious dealings.
I guess it makes sense. Progressives are trying to outlaw hearing truth from ANYONE. It’s harmful to our democracy to know the facts, it disrupts the beneficial aspects of delusion.
The ministry of truth, next door to the ministry of love. Ask Winston.
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Jeff Sessions was not part of the Trump campaign, but was a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The media also accused him of conspiring with Russia simply by having a conversation with their diplomatic personnel.
Where does all of this stuff end? I would say it ends with the following people being walked out in handcuffs : James Comey, Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton.
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Naked corruption never bothered Michael and Richard Daley, why should it bother the clintons. Many states have corrupt politicians some go big league and take it nationally like the Clintons.
See the story of Chelsea Clinton being sued by the real author of her new book that was fed to her from a submission to her publisher in 2013. Like mother, like daughter.
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As seen on Zero Hedge:
“Politico revealed in January some of the Ukrainian government’s anti-Trump activities during the election.
A veteran DNC operative who previously worked in the Clinton White House, Alexandra Chalupa, worked with Ukrainian government officials and journalists from both Ukraine and America to dig up Russia-related opposition research on Trump and Manafort. She also shared her anti-Trump research with both the DNC and the Clinton campaign, according to the Politico report.”
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This is what always happens in totalitarian societies. Where the only thing that is allowed to matter, is petty court intrigue unworthy of the attention of even the most vapid teenage girl.
And the only ones allowed to matter, are the kind of useless garbage who have nothing better to do, than inserting themselves into the lives and acts of others.
In anything even resembling a free society, freedom of speech immediately brushes all this kind of nonsense aside, without even a thought. As long as anyone can say anything to anyone about anything anytime anywhere, there is simply no room for the kind of undifferentiated trash that keeps this kind of abject nothing in the news.
Who cares what some Russian guy says or writes? It’s noise emanating from some hole in someone’s face. Or spasms on a keyboard. The mere fact that presumably non-useless people are forced to waste even a second of precious brain time on any of this, is in and of itself reason enough to be at worst ambivalent about some Caliphate replacing the whole shebang. When thing’s simply can’t get worse, at least any change is risk free. And who knows, maybe it will get better.
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I won’t register so I can’t hit the “Like” button but this is spot on.
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Confirmed. Politics is a dirty business. But nobody manages filth better than the Clintons. http://www.independentsentinel.com/lest-we-forget-hillarys-china-gate-scandal/
The technology transfer via Loral re rocketry tech to the Chinese rapidly advanced their space and ICBM programs.
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Everybody should be concerned about this, but more so in the US. This is a contest between a deep-state-all-party rule vs. democracy or what’s left of it.
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Draining the swamp: Two articles that cover the same story, with completely different spin:
WaPo seems to think the swamp is being drained too quickly and easily:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/07/10/va-fires-more-than-500-feds-under-trump-even-before-new-accountability-law/?utm_term=.23e4c3f43b92
This conservative site describes how difficult it really is:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/09/youre-fired-trumps-va-terminates-500-suspends-200-for-misconduct/
If you are determined to think Donald is not doing anything, you will have to ignore this.
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“A columnist and longtime defender of President Donald Trump’s innocence regarding Russia blasted Donald Trump Jr. on Tuesday, saying it’s not a good defense that the President’s son’s meeting with a Kremlin-linked lawyer promising dirt on Hillary Clinton wasn’t fruitful.
“I’d say it’s a hell of a defense to say your collusion was incompetent and that it didn’t work out,” Charles Krauthammer said, appearing on Fox News Tuesday. “The fact is, this is not just opposition research. This is not just somebody coming out of the woodwork in Indiana, where the story about the Clintons — this is a foreign power. Not just any foreign power. … This is our most serious foreign adversary, one could argue, in the world.”
He said the Trump team’s defense of there being no evidence of collusion with the Russians to influence the 2016 election was one that he supported for six months, until news broke that Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer to find out information that the Russian government wanted to give the family as a sign of support for the Trump campaign.
“There was nothing to show that the Trump administration was aware of or supporting the Russians interfering in our election and this just showed up today in black and white, released by Don Jr. himself,” he said. “This is not released in the anti-Trump media. So you see it in black and white. This is not to say that collusion is a crime. It never was. But it is to say that the denial of collusion is very weak right now because it looks as if, I don’t know if there’s any other explanation, Don Jr. was receptive to receiving the information.””
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Snowflake liberal Krauthammer…
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Now we are finding out “a Kremlin-linked lawyer” is totally fake news, there was no connection to Russian government. Quite the contrary, the people that tricked Jr. into meeting with them are linked to anti-Trump organizations. Is fake news the only news you like, red?
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You mean the people that tricked Trump Jr., Kushner and Manafort? Please provide details. Did you read something at zerohedge?
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Jr’s buddy Gold_dork who introduced the lawyer tricked him, that’s who
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Do your own research red. I won’t waste my time providing you with articles you won’t read. But here’s a hint: even liberal site bloomberg is covering the story.
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It is absolutely hilarious that progressives would illustrate their ignorance by claiming krauthammer is a Trump defender. He has thrown as much disgust at Trump as Schumer, and by the way, he was a big progressive in his earlier years. Next you will be telling of the alt-right Bill Krystal’s sudden indictment of Trump.
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It only says, “longtime defender of President Donald Trump’s innocence regarding Russia”. Nothing more.
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http://www.snopes.com/seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-murder/
Snopes trumps Fox always. Here’s why it’s a big deal:
If Russia influenced the election, even to get George F’ing Washington back in office, I want to know and I want it to stop (once George is done). When all your sources are Fox news, you’re view is partisan, regardless of your handwaving.
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Thank you Robert, you are confirming why Fox said the Seth Rich story did not measure up to their standards of journalism. If only the rest of the MSM could be half as honest!
I too want to know what foreigners are meddling with the US electoral process, and buying favors from any US politicians and bureaucrats (how about Hillary approving sale of our uranium to Russians after being paid $millions?).
So if foreigners meddling in other country’s politics and elections bothers you, what do you think about the documented US meddling in many other countries politics & elections? As for me, I do not like it at all. Besides the ethics, it usually backfires.
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Gee, I thought our officials were supposed to be protecting the country from threats from outside AND within. Now it seems the only threat to our democratic process is Russia, and deep state ideologes are of no concern at all. Makes you wonder what our revolutionary was even about.
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But this is just fine, right?
TEL AVIV — A leaked email from Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign previously published by Wikileaks may take on new significance because it relates to key issues brought up in media reports about Donald Trump Jr. and a meeting with a Russian lawyer.
The email in question was purportedly sent by Jesse Lehrich, a Clinton campaign foreign policy spokesman and member of the campaign’s rapid response communications team.
In the correspondence, which has not yet received news media attention and remains searchable in the WikiLeaks archive, Lehrich writes that the campaign “killed a Bloomberg story” attempting to link Clinton’s opposition to the anti-Russia legislation known as the Magnitsky Act to a speech that Bill Clinton delivered in Moscow for $500,000.
The May 21, 2015 message, titled, “May 21st Nightly Press Traffic Summary,” was purportedly sent by Lehrich to the campaign’s “HRCRapid” Google group, and was captured by the leaking of campaign chairman John Podesta’s Gmail account emails.
Lehrich’s list of press actions carried out by the campaign included this:
“With the help of the research team, we killed a Bloomberg story trying to link HRC’s opposition to the Magnitsky bill to a $500,000 speech that WJC gave in Moscow.”
The newspaper reported “the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States.”
The newspaper further reported:
Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.
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What’s wrong with our Sec. of State getting paid to approve selling our uranium to the Russians? Ignore that – look over there – someone that knows one of the Trump family was seen talking to a Russian guy last year! Impeach! Impeach!
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Sick isn´t it. Also, Russia has never threatened the usa or the west with war, it just tries to defend itself. This is just psychopatic mongering that could take humanity down in hell.
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This entire comment thread reads like an advertisement to drop cable TV and all its socialist programming.
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Socialist? i see it more like anti-war and common sense, survivalist of every individual country.
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Your comments here suggest you are a socialist — you are the problem
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Maybe a little. But what IS a socialist?
And why is it a problem. I think I am more of a nationalist.
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Anarchist even.
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