Reder David is on vacation in on vacation Catalonia. He is now in Barcelona and will go fly fishing in the Pyrenees. He sent videos that he took of a peaceful anti-independence protest in Barcelona.
David Writes …
Buenos Dias du Barcelona, Mish. On a long-ago scheduled visit to Barcelona and the Pyrenees (fly fishing), my lucky day, having a prime spot for the big demonstration this afternoon. I will try to send videos taken on my phone this afternoon.
The demonstration was lively and friendly. On a mild day, with very light rain, the demonstration began at 400pm (local time) and passed slowly under my window for over 30 minutes. I am not a crowd estimator by any means, but I would the guess the group was perhaps 20,000 people, mostly younger.
In chatting with people, I’m still not sure about the clarity of the basis for the actions. Catalunya and the rest of Spain have a long history. The ‘aftertaste’ of Franco, including the executions and disappearances of thousands of people, influence the social mood. A strong social competition exists between Madrid and Barcelona. The lingering effects of the recent economic collapse also influences opinion. Unemployment remains a huge problem, and especially younger people feel they have been screwed over by decisions made long ago and far away (in Brussels and in Germany). They feel they have no voice in the things that matter to them. I ask ‘where to go for a good job,’ they say ‘Germany.’
By the way, on my first visit here, I offer my highest recommendation. Catalonia offers great food and wine, history and culture, gracious hospitality, and favorable prices for goods and services. Already I imagine a return visit.
Barcelona, si. Catalunya, si.
David
Note: The MOV file David sent was much sharper than the result from a Google upload to YouTube.
Tensions Mount
The Guardian reports Catalonia riven with tension as referendum day arrives.
Catalonia was tense this weekend ahead of an independence referendum that has divided Spain. At the final rally, the Catalan president, Carles Puigdemont, said the region was only one step away from independence. “We’ve got this far and we have until Sunday to win,” he told the crowd on Friday evening.
The authorities have confiscated voting papers and ballot boxes, raided printers and newspapers accused of aiding the poll, shut down websites and blocked an app explaining how and where to vote. Police have occupied the Catalan data agency, blocked access to the census and are seeking to thwart communication between polling stations. The national data protection agency has warned anyone manning a polling station they face fines of up to €300,000 for breaking the data protection law.
The Catalan vice-president, Oriol Junqueras, said that however many people vote, Catalonia will have won the right to be respected and listened to: “It’s inevitable and obligatory the central government sits down to negotiate.” Madrid has said all along that it will negotiate on anything but a referendum. The Catalans offered to cancel the illegal referendum in return for the promise of a legal one. As tensions have mounted, Rajoy has said that Puigdemont and Junqueras are not fit negotiators and called for a fresh round of Catalan elections, the third in five years.
Sixty lawyers, 70 international observers and 25 psychologists will be on hand. Despite polls indicating that only a minority of Catalans favour independence, there has not been a “no” campaign, although pro-Spanish unity demonstrators were out in force in Barcelona on Saturday.
Both the European Union and the United Nations have voiced concerns over the manner in which Mariano Rajoy’s Madrid government has sought to ensure the poll does not take place.
The Guardian keeps repeating that the majority do not favor independence. That may have been true in Apil or May, but after Madrid’s actions, I doubt it holds true today.
Barcelona, Si
Without a doubt, mass demonstration in favor of independence dwarf anti-independence efforts in Catalonia, and vice-versa outside Catalonia.
Spain Shuts Down Voting Technology
Fox News reports Spain shuts down Catalonia independence vote technology as tensions rise.
Spain’s foreign minister vowed Saturday that a planned independence referendum in Catalonia would not take place as the Madrid government sought to dismantle the vote’s IT systems.
In an interview with Sky News, Alfonso Dastis said there are “no voting premises, no ballot papers [and] no authorities to check the authenticity of the result.”
Spain’s Interior Ministry said police had sealed off “most” of the region’s 2,315 polling stations and disabled software being used in the referendum. Enric Millo, the highest-ranking Spanish official in the northeastern region, said parents and students were occupying at least 163 schools that were to be used as polling places by mid-Saturday, when about 1,000 more still needed to be checked. In a later update, the ministry didn’t provide a new figure but only said “some” schools remained occupied.
Police have set a deadline of 6 a.m. Sunday for the activists to vacate the schools, a move designed to voting from taking place, since the polls are supposed to open three hours later. Some parents decided to send their children home and girded for pre-dawn confrontations with police.
Catalonia’s defiant regional government is pressing ahead anyway, urging the region’s 5.3 million voters to make their voices heard.
Families Occupy Polling Stations
The Washington Post reports With kids in tow, Catalonia’s pro-independence parents occupy polling stations in mass act of civil disobedience.
Officials with the central government told reporters that police had secured some 1,300 of 2,315 schools in Catalonia used as polling stations. The same officials also said that activists had occupied 163 schools. Those figures could not be verfied and were challenged by pro-independence activists who said many more schools were filled with supporters of Sunday’s vote.
The activists, who asked that their identities remain anonymous because their activities are deemed illegal, said it was also possible that even if normal polling places are closed, the vote could be staged down the block at another public building that someone has the key to.
I suspect the independence movement has planned this and will have alternate place established or will simply conduct votes in the street.
Catalonia History
I highly encourage readers to read the Council on Foreign Affairs document Can Catalonia Split With Spain?.
The article provides a nice history of the region as well as the massive mistakes by prime minister Mariano Rajoy that fueled the separatist vote.
The courts, at the request of Rajoy, tore up a referendum agreement between Spain and Catalonia that both Spain and Catalonia approved.
Thanks to Rajoy, the “middle ground for a new contract between Madrid and Barcelona essentially vanished.”
So here we are. Best wishes to Catalonia.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Who dares wins.
This clip seems authentic pro-independence by the replies it has:
https://twitter.com/Elaguijon_/status/914064302654545921
Then there is:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLAQi_dW0AEDyaF.jpg
So, anyone the clearer?
( No, not you, we know about you.)
The CFR article is worth reading. This ECFR (Euro CFR) comes to an opposing conclusion and is worth reading too, for balance.
http://www.ecfr.eu/amp-article/commentary_three_myths_about_catalonias_independence_movement
If Catalonia is united, it will get what it wants. Homage to Catalonia!
Sounds like Rajoy’s days are numbered, even if he “wins” in Catalonia (I have no horse in the race, and have no idea who is likely to win the referendum — just saying Rajoy loses no matter how the referendum comes out).
The ultimate winner between Madrid and Barcelona, again regardless of the short term referendum outcome, is which area can identify and elect competent leadership. Spain is at a disadvantage since they can’t even begin the search until after they push Rajoy out.
There’s an old joke here in the USA about two old men walking in some woods where lots of bears are around. One man puts on running shoes, the other man has bear spray. The one with spray asks the runner if he really thinks he can outrun a bear…
“I don’t have to outrun the bear. I only have to outrun you”.
I don’t know whether Spain or Catalonia will find competent leadership first… and as you suggest there may not be any great white basketball players.
But Spain / Catalonia don’t have to find GREAT leaders, they just have to find someone less inept than the idiot in the other camp.
For all the hysteria in US media, for all the terrorist activity antifa groups keep committing — the facts are that Trump didn’t need to be a great presidential candidate. He just had to be less inept, less corrupt, and less out-of-touch, than the establishment candidates.
Against Cruz and Rubio and McCain… against a venezuelan socialist wanna-be like Sanders… against a rancid crook like Hillary…
The competition is so bad that Trump doesn’t have to be a great leader.
Same thing applies in Catalonia. Rajoy is clearly just incompetent. Its not obvious that the “rebel groups” in Catalonia have a single post-independence goal, or a post-independence leader.
The bar is set very low. Whichever one of them finds a leader who is less inept than the other side… “wins”
Part of the problem is that the country isn’t very sure of what it wants to be, otherwise a slightly conservative and reasonable character would do, and just let the country get on with itself. But Spain has a lot of political pressures, now with EU and no currency of its own even…it has had such a mixed political history that there is nothing that obvious to anything… in the past kings have walked, ambassadors simply given up, episodes of all kinds…republic, dictatorship. I know more than a lot of people and still have to admit I just don’t know… I am not sure the Spanish know more themselves but they are certainly more dedicated to whatever theme they follow, are one of the most politically active populations.
@chrysangle — “there are no great white basketball players…”
Who is Larry Bird? 🙂
Well the Spanish celebrate Pau Gasol who plays NBA with the San Antonio Spurs… he is from Barcelona.
I don’t know Paul Gasol (because I only watch NBA games if a client makes me). There are a lot of really good white basketball players — and perhaps a few great ones. I named Larry Bird because he is retired / uncontroversial (widely accepted as one of the greats).
I think its funny that no one blinks that white men can’t jump (see movie), and white men can’t play basketball, and white men blah blah blah.
If you said the exact same thing about black men, academics and black lives matter groups would be having the mother of all temper tantrums…
As long as the players remain standing for the National Anthem it’s all good.
The NBA HQ’s released a directive in the last day or 2 that all players will remain standing.
Another check in the win column for Trump..
Based on crowd density I call it 80:20 for independence.
We will see soon enough I guess.
The main question in my mind is to which degree will Spanish police will be able to thwart parts of the vote, or vote counting process.
In “normal” conditions “Yes” should win by far. Here’s one of the very few polls available published by the Scottish newspaper The National yesterday:
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15567874.Huge_upsurge_in_support_for_independence_is_revealed_in_world_exclusive_final_Catalan_poll/
Spain and Rajoy are not going to accept the result.What happens on Monday? Will the police and military arrest a lot of people? Will they take over Catalan government?
The real question is will the pro-independence groups be able to marshall their supporters to fight the Spanish government organs like the police and prosecutors in street battles? How many will be willing to sacrifice their lives?
Not Monday I think, but Sunday. On Monday probably strikes and stronger tension, and it enters a phase of steady confrontation with “international preoccupation”. For now people are just wanting a nights sleep and complaining of a police helicopter that is still flying low at 3.00 am (#volemdormir). The Barcelona port authority is denouncing its “militarization”, with access denied to workers and a lot of activity related to anti-riot police there since midnight.
That’s the open question. How far will the pro-independence movement escalate? Will they be willing to fight the Spanish police and military?
Of course, we will also have to see how draconian the Spanish government becomes. They have threatened to arrest those that facilitate the voting and to take over all the finances of the Catalan government.
CALexit going to be even more interesting
Apple still makes money, even though they haven’t had a new product since Steve Jobs’ death. The rest of the FAANGs are hollow shell companies that sell ads based on robot clicks, and sell hyped up stock — they don’t have profits and they don’t have products.
Take those out of the equation, and California has a lot of pot smokers, illegal immigrants that don’t pay taxes, and a lot of US military bases (paid for by the whole country, but only CA gets the economic benefits). There is a reason Congress members fight to keep military bases in their own districts.
Hollywood stars get divorced from multiple soul-mates, and complain that there is no way they can get by on only $100,000 MONTHLY living expenses.
Lets give California credit for all the silicone breast implants… those aren’t real either, but they look nice.
A Spanish Libertarian’s View of Catalonian Independence:
https://mises.org/blog/spanish-libertarians-view-catalonian-independence
These people need a job
This is timestamped as Sat. evening
https://twitter.com/elderechoalapaz/status/914311906290266112
Late late here…in an hour or so.. 4am utc… the voting premises are supposed to be vacated, so that might be the start of police presence pre-dawn… but some must sleep.
Here is a fairly comprehensive uptodate
https://twitter.com/hashtag/1o?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=refgoogle
Or updating translated
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http:%2F%2Fwww.naciodigital.cat%2Fnoticia%2F139369%2Fminut%2Fminut%2Fcompte%2Fenrere%2Fcap%2Fal%2Freferendum%2Fdirecte&edit-text=
The vote is one thing. Implementing it is quite another. Good luck with that.
Our current system of centralised States in Europe is failing because people do notvfeel locally that they have control over their lives and the centre is not achieving growth in living standards as promised. Elitist establishments are under attack everywhere. They are the old order and deemed redundant.