Nigel Farage made his best speech ever in the European Parliament.
Farage called the Catalonia crackdown a foretaste of EU political suppression.
Watch and enjoy.
Here is an interesting comment to the YouTube Post by “Fabian”.
If anything Nigel went easy on them, and to all the people who think they’re being smart saying he called for less EU in domestic politics, THIS ISN’T POLITICS. It’s human rights, and by article 7 of the Lisbon Treaty, Spain should be suspended from the EU for breaching article 2, and dispatching a branch of the military against an unarmed civilian population.
Here are the Lisbon Treaty Articles in play.
Article 2
The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities. These values are common to the Member States in a society in which pluralism, non-discrimination, tolerance, justice, solidarity and equality between women and men prevail.
Article 7
1. On a reasoned proposal by one third of the Member States, by the European Parliament or by the European Commission, the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2. Before making such a determination, the Council shall hear the Member State in question and may address recommendations to it, acting in accordance with the same procedure. The Council shall regularly verify that the grounds on which such a determination was made continue to apply.
2. The European Council, acting by unanimity on a proposal by one third of the Member States or by the European Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine the existence of a serious and persistent breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2 after inviting the Member State in question to submit its observations.
3. Where a determination under paragraph 2 has been made, the Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide to suspend certain of the rights deriving from the application of the Treaties to the Member State in question, including the voting rights of the representative of the government of that Member State in the Council. In doing so, the Council shall take into account the possible consequences of such a suspension on the rights and obligations of natural and legal persons.
The obligations of the Member State in question under the Treaties shall in any case continue to be binding on that State.
4. The Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide subsequently to vary or revoke measures taken under paragraph 3 in response to changes in the situation which led to their being imposed.
5. The voting arrangements applying to the European Parliament, the European Council and the Council for the purposes of this Article are laid down in Article 354of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
Thanks to Nigel Farage for once again exposing the EU’s blatant hypocrisy. Thanks to Fabian for the Lisbon Treaty comments.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Nigel Farage, the much hated (by EU thugs), spokesman for the people..Outstanding.
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A lot of beautiful speech’s are been made I have seen this before, some are sincere others just plain bull, but I see a world breaking down, bad times are in the making..It feels like 1939 all over again but them maybe old age is getting to me.
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mish, youd better devote to economic issues, your blog is diverting to politics insanely causing you to lose followers.
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Politics is often the future of economics
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Maybe it shouldn’t be.
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And/Or visa versa.
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EU is a political Union with a half-brained, corporate economic structure. It’s well within Mish’s realm to discuss this. He predicted the EU would break apart because the monetary system is not designed to help poor countries…it’s designed to get them in debt to Germany and prop up lifetime bureaucrats
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Debt enslavement is all the (central) banksters’ MO. Anglos Eurobashing are the pot calling the ketlle black.
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Javier, what is happening in Catalonia is momentous. Millions of people are choosing to separate from an EU state. How will the EU respond? Is the Spanish government going to use force to suppress this movement? Will other groups in Europe start demanding more autonomy?
How this plays out will have huge repercussions on the Euro as a currency and sovereign bonds of EU states? How do equity markets respond if separatism leads to violence and state repression?
I’m very pleased Mish is blogging on these hugely important topics.
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Economic suppression and Political suppression are handmaidens. How do you separate the two? – in an ivory tower!
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sadly almost everything is politics now…
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That’s the whole point of progressivism: All outcomes determined by policy. Policy made by a clique of well connecteds.
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This is important in a supposedly liberal western democracy. More so given the economic dependency (relative stagnation) and banking/bond/ECB tangle.
Add the young Spanish Nationalists that have been on TV and this could become a real conflict.
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I’m not qualified to tell Mish what to do, but there are many angles to this story that need attention.
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Fortunately there has been no serious violence between bands so far.
This Sunday there is a big pro-Spanish protest called for, on Monday independence will be declared according to CUP, who also say that means to avoid arrest are being devised.
Here is one small confrontation that did occur, the website is more pro-Spanish than most
https://okdiario.com/espana/2017/10/03/guerracivilismo-ya-esta-aulas-chicos-constitucionalistas-separatistas-apalean-apedrean-patean-1382916
The police basically act with relative constraint compared to how civilians do, something to bear in mind.
Also the CUP are part of independence, they are affiliated to the wider further left in Spain, just as other independence movements associate with Catalan independence.
The website labels its article ” a extremely civil war”.
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Just correct that CUP is saying not “devise ways to avoid”, but instead devising means to assume that occuring.
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…talking of arrests.
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They unfortunately go hand in hand , for now anyway but
It’s going to change soon
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Who was it that said (I’m paraphrasing) “You take the economic sphere; leave the politics to us”?
Every totalitarian / communist government ever?
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So javier, tell me how you know just how many readers Mish has. Or is it just your wishful thinking? Have you never realized that politics and economics go hand in hand? Personally I find the blogs on politics more interesting.
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I used to love listening to Farage during the economic meltdown. But as far as I could tell he always alone in his convictions. The other pols in the room would just give him dirty looks. Sometimes I wondered whether he was just a stooge playing a role to give the people the false impression they had a representative speaking on their behalf in a contrived democracy. While his presentations are powerful and he’s a fine orator it’s obvious to me now that he’s just pissing into the wind. So today when I listen to Farage it’s purely for the entertainment. I don’t take him seriously anymore because nothing productive ever results from his presentations.
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Nigel was a key player in the vote for Brexit.
The exact terms of Brexit are not yet clear, but he deserves credit for swinging public opinion in the UK against remaining in the EU.
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There was a need he gave voice and a rallying post to.
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Brexit is a huge disaster, an accellerating train about to become a wreck.
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Yes it’s a train wreck , but not for the UK, the EU is toast
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Where’s the evidence of that? Who’s nervous and acting erratic? Bad Boy Boris tantrum…gimme a break!
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Article 2….well I think most people know the difference between being nice or not. Philosophy has shown that liberty equality and fraternity are incompatible concepts in a combined sense, so with all that is included in article 2 there is enough there to write as much interpretation as is ever needed to set up a nazi style intelligence and opressive regime… for the good of all which must prevail, naturally.
So colour me skeptical, Spain had this side to it since whenever, and for all I know EU is a catalyst to recent events.
EU suspension? Why not, I would like to see Spain’s reaction to that and EU take some blame for once…but it is beyond them to interfere this way, as it would set up a division of national opinions that would be near impossible to resolve – national constitution vs. EU treaty…and you know how quiet they like to keep creepy EU power.
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Nigel Farage is one man when thousands like him are needed. poet, pauper or prince, I believe he’s sincere, and, more than that, he speaks the truth, hideous or not, of the direction this entire globe is headed.
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a member of a class of aristocratic landholders, especially in East Prussia, strongly devoted to militarism and authoritarianism, from among whom the German military forces recruited a large number of its officers. 2. a young German, especially Prussian, nobleman.
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Politics is economics all nations are struggling to survive controlling world resources is the name of the game
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fascinating to hear the arguments of the people who believe political association is involuntary
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When economics is used as a weapon to ensure compliance else your population is punished – IT IS.
Wake-up. It is not free, it is nefarious.
A form of pay to play and what you pay is sovereignty to creater a greater EU Uber Alles.
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It is, as long as any member or subgroup of the association, is barred from leaving whenever he/they feel(s) like it. That’s kind of the definition of voluntary.
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We humans are going to have to learn to cooperate voluntarily eventually instead of dominating each other in order to survive and thrive.
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Javier,
Mish is not writing about politics,,,its about human rights. Those are are granted by god, not government.
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Really! God seems somewhat lax on the enforcement front then.
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It is impossible to separate finance from politics. As so well put in Godfather, finance is a gun and politics is to know when to pull the trigger. That is what Germany has been doing all along. Although, I wonder if they have overextended themselves since there is even a more stronger force than politics. That is The Market.
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Samijr, spot on.
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The European Parliament has bowed to pressure and will hold a limited debate on the crisis in Strasbourg today. But the session will be restricted to a speech by Commission Vice President Frans Timmermans and short interventions from the political group leaders. I think we can expect “non-verbal protests in the chamber” from MEPs furious at being silenced.
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There are deeper issues here, people voting several times, Catalunya govt autocratic and corrupt, ETA involvement.
All that of course doesn’t excuse the Spanish govt’s handling of this. Let’s just say the negotiating positions are pretty steep. Something’s gotta give before there’s a military conflict.
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“Catalunya govt autocratic and corrupt”
So you suggest that this autocratic and corrupt government forced people on the streets to vote?
“ETA involvement”
Proof?
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All I’m saying is that this has too be looked at from other angles than what the MSM propaganda machine feeds us.
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Articles 2 and 7 will be of no help to Catalonia (which I suggest is on its own in the crisis it has made).
Even supposing against all expectation that sufficient numbers of the various actors referred to in Article 7 were minded to come together to permit action against Spain, Article 7(2) says “The European Council…may determine the existence of a serious and persistent breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2”. Even allowing the doubtful notion that the police action amounted to a breach that was “serious”, it is over now and so fails the requirement to be “persistent”.
The EU cannot act lest it is seen to promote dismemberment of its member states: they will jealously and determinedly preserve their own existence clearly. The EU can do without giving encouragement to a similar crisis in Italy (where the Northern League wishes to seperate from the poor south) and likely elsewhere.
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Yup, this has to be looked at much more closely. Dare I mention Scotland?
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The EU wants this to happen so the sole centralised power is the EU.
They would love all Europe to be regions feeding off the centre.
THAT IS THE POINT. Wake-up.
This is just the start.
Personally, would be happy to see the back of Scotland and annual cost to EU would be > 15Bn euro.
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I agree with you. This is the EU aka Deep State at work.
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This is something that I am as sure as can be of without having outrigt proof. Spanish nationalist sentiment is knowingly being integrated into EU control ( indirectly) as well as Catalan independence being supported by EU. They play both sides… but I am the conspiracist, no? Reality is that EU wants a calm controlled level Europe, it is believed in, as a well informed German friend stated ‘it is coming’. The current circumstance is beyond the hand of EU though, they control part of Spanish politics, but not the nationalism, the armed forces are part neutral professionalised to constitution, part traditionalist, the government is constitutionalist but with different interpretations, the population divided along various lines. I know what kind of result EU would like, and I think Cataluña is a means, one way or the other… the dissolution of Spain as known, or a Spain continuously on edge till it makes a mistake, the latter being a much longer “game” where control of the “discipline” is eventually handed to EU by choice of the Spanish population. EU has no face to lose, it simply backs all (including against each other) and picks up the pieces as they fall. As seemingly neutral and caring and rights orientated and nationally subscribed to at political levels, it will seem the solution, the arbiter. In reality it is irresponsible though, and what goes on in Spain next is beyond its control, it should not be supporting this the way it does. There is a real danger at hand now, where there is no retreat available by any, and just saying “oh well” is no answer either…I don’t like to exagerate and there are many ways this might all go, but the danger is very real. I have experienced how fast Spain, other countries also, are able to change foot and colour and mood. If you look at past international conflicts beyond the most basic facts as presented, you find all kinds of background nonsense going on, and that is what I am sensing occuring within Spain at this moment.
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I too don’t have proof, and that will maybe be found in history books several decades from now, but the ways power operates are very predictable.
Listening to professor Maria Lorca Susino on CNN en español I saw the side that the MSM doesn’t show.
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If we look at Greece, there democratic national choice away from EU was overrun, any revolutionary army was kept confined to its barracks, maybe as the military command enjoys privilege in EU/NATO. The stress was played out relatively low key on the streets, with protests and local police opression towards anything that destabilised the EU direction… “stability”.
Well “Spain is not Greece”, but the same kind of combination is at play, except at a much larger scale with very different inputs, such as national integrity, and a very different history and national temper.
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Another example is the Colombian people rejecting the FarSantos FARCfarce “peace deal” where FARC got what it wanted, and the will of the people was ignored of course.
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As for giving encouragement to secessionists elsewhere in the EU, I should have noted what Wikipedia tells us, that: –
“Northern Catalonia refers to the territory ceded to France by Spain through the signing of the Treaty of the Pyrenees in 1659. The area corresponds approximately to the modern French département of the Pyrénées-Orientales. Nothern Catalonia is a term created in the 1930s by the Catalan nationalist Alfons Miàs.”
So when will France surrender its hold on Northern Catalonia? How long before Mr. Puigdemont and friends demand reunification?
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Yup, this is a huge mess, not black and white. This needs to be looked at much more closely in order to understand what’s really going on.
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So EU washes it’s hands.
Typical. They can wait and get what they want.
Watch what happens elsewhere, ignore the ballot box and expect guns and bombs to speak.
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It is complex, the Spanish show proof that by hereditary title Cataluña is Spain, Cataluña is part of an ancient wider identity that is no longer clearly defined, goes back to the county of Barcelona formed after the dissolution of the Roman empire. Some would have secession include the larger previous kingdom or Aragon. It is not obvious, and the Catalans surely have their own modern sentiments to add to that all also. They won’t formally join back with France, but have a working relationship with the country.
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Treaties are not worth the paper they are written on. They are simply documents of convenience. Ask the American Indians what they think of treaties.
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Spain is only the beginning. Many of the main EU countries could / will see moves towards separation. Belgium with the split between the French and Flemish speaking regions, they have been without a formal government for more than two years. Italy where the north has complained for years about supporting the southern region.
But the real surprise might just be Germany (today is the 27th anniversary of east west reunification). Take a good look at the recent election results, very interesting regional differences.
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Nigel was on point as usual. Unfortunately, unlike Nigel, Trump has betrayed every populist promise he made that got him elected.
The first has core beliefs while the second is an opportunist exploiting America’s misery and making it worse to win acceptance from his cronies and enrich his family.
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No, it’s the other way around. The USSE wants to weaken every nation state and increase its own centralized power.
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Here you go Pin, read the facts and quit being a lying fool:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/rulings/promise-kept/
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Saw someone suggest holding a referendum in Spain on whether the Catalan leadership should be rounded up.
Also there are a couple of stories of teachers in Spain rounding on children of police officers, humiliating them in class, saying their parents act like animals, asking if they were satisfied by what their parents did. Depravity is not always sticks and stones.
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note the EU and the UK have decided to keep out cheaper imports from around the world in agricuture via the CAP.
disgusting maintenance of the corruption that costs EU and UK taxpayers billions every year.
https://www.ft.com/content/e30185c6-a83d-11e7-ab55-27219df83c97
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Mish, up to now I respected your views on investment and politics, but I can see now, that:
1. About Spain and Catalonia, you don’t know what you are talking about, because:
2. You seem to have some fanatic anarchist-libertarian ideology that even makes you blind to the point to sympathize with anarchist-marxists, which are the 40% of the Catalonia population which are also pro-independence.
Mish, I am Spanish from the south of Spain, and I am in favor of Spain leaving the EU because the EU is a supra-national SOCIALIST organization, against our real God-given freedoms similar what the US Declaration of Independence thinks.
***>>> The EU is SOCIALISM FROM ABOVE.
However, this Catalonian local government action, is **SOCIALISM FROM BELOW**.
These people are NO FRIENDS of Mish, Freedom or anything, they want anarchist take by power freedom.
They have clearly stated they want an Independent Catalonia because THAT is the way they can speed up socialist revolution. No other reason.
Most of these Independists are NOT ETHNIC CATALAN, because Catalonia has had emigration from the rest of Spain since the 1850’s since Catalonia industrialized first and encouraged immigration for its factories labor, about 2/3 of Catalonia now are ethnic Spanish from other regions.
The majority of people in Catalonia AND SPAIN do NOT want a split up country, and no country in the world allows a charted municipality, province, or regional parliament the right to vote itself independent, this is ROBBERY, and since it is pushed by leftists under the guise of ethnicism
it is NACIONAL SOCIALISM.
These political Catalonians are ethnic nationalist socialists.
Mish, do you believe in National Socialism? Nazism?
Are you a George Wallace States Rights type, Neo-Confederate? You know, so an ethnic group surpresses another group with imposed authoritarian laws under the guise of “it was voted in somehow”?
You are living that now in the USA, why support those socialists in Catalonia who will do the same as leftwing Democrats do in the USA?
Because the very first thing these screamy pushy Catalonian independists will do, is to do an ETHNIC PURGE,
because they want to vote independence against the majority in their own region of Catalonia, not only Spain?
And when that happens, Mish, were will you be?
Quiet as a mouse?
Wringing your hands that you did not mean that these revolutionary socialists should do political oppression?
Or will you have waded so deep in your wrong fanatic ideology, that you will defend stuff you would never otherwise defend? You won’t be able to admit you are wrong?
Mish, make it clear once and for all: are you for socialistic revolutions even under the guise of independence by a minority, or are you for freedom?
Look at YouTube – the local Catalonian MAJORITY people thanking the Spanish Police, with a voice of desperation, begging them not to go and be left alone to these Revolutionary Socialists Catalonian Wolves!! Begging to KEEP THEIR FREEDOM
Where are you, Mr. Freedom Fighter Mish?
With your socialists revolutionaries who will impose a minority ethnic authoritarianism, that is where you are with.
Soon you will have to swallow your words or wallow more into supporting socialist revolutions Mish,
and no one will believe your investment advice with requires LAW AND ORDER, stability, and a non-socialist politics.
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I will not have to swallow a damn thing. I never said I liked their socialist platform. In fact, I said I didn’t.
If California voted to secede, I would say let them go.
This is about the right of self-determination, no more – no less. If they wanted to break away and start slavery, I would object.
Also, don’t get delusional. Rajoy is just as big a supporter of the EU as anyone in Catalonia. Podemos wants to get off the Euro and I support that idea, but Podemos is as big a bu=nch of socialist clowns as you can find anywhere in Europe.
So don’t tell me I don’t know what I am doing. None of this has anything to do with investing other than the general idea that Europe is more in trouble than most think.
Finally, thanks to the idiotic tactics of Rajoy, people voted for independence to the tune of 90% (not 40%). Blame him, not me for what happened.
Mish
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There are some deep historical and present day problems with this “wonderful” freedom movement, alleged ETA involvement and the Cataluña govt being corrupt and autocratic.
Mish, you’re a good guy, don’t make a mishmash of this, dig deeper.
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I never called it wonderful, nor is it beyond corruption.
But corrupt Rajoy brought this upon Spain and I stand for the right of self-determination.
You are the one who needs to dig deeper, not me.
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This isn’t a pissibg contest, but about what we know and don’t know. You know things we don’t know, and some of us know things you don’t know.
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(HI MISH, SORRY I HAD TO REPOST, my earlier reply had some disallowed characters that deleted some parts of what I wrote and made it incomprehensible, pls substitute this)
Mish, can’t you see what is happening?
Here is the deep insight of what is happening in Spain and the Catalan crisis,
which is the same general trend for Greece and even for USA:
*** This is a problem of the socialist Left! ***
*** A new stage in its long-term decomposition trend! ***
Something like Hillary vs Bernie decomposition of the leftists Democrats.
Except the narrative went to the next stage,
Separatism as a new way to loot money,
because jobs/social benefits and social issues don’t keep the base happy anymore.
In Spain, after 40 years of Democracy, the money has run out, systematically looted.
When the money runs out, Democracy runs out because in Democracy,
political and therefore social and trade union peace is bought by payola to buy votes.
Did you know that up to 1982, Spain had NO Income Tax and NO VAT sales tax? Hows that for economic freedom?
And now has an income tax of up to 49% in my region and sales tax of 21%,
and there have been huge EU structural funds infusions,
and ALL levels of government in Spain are bankrupt, spending beyond its means, in some regions even months behind paying suppliers.
For 40 years, Spain has:
…Grown layers and layers of government at the municipal, provincial, regional, national, and EU layers.
I can tell you, for young people, they dream of a good functionary government job where they cannot be fired and get a guaranteed pension.
You cannot believe how many layers of government there is, and political parties immediately staff them with their supporters when they win as promised payoffs.
They can’t fire the last ones, so more and more special commissions, committees, departments and subdepartments are created, all of them with “found” social problems that require a paid government jobs to fix, filled by political supporters who would have normally been unemployed because they did not study commercial or industrial degrees.
…To pay these layers, taxes went from 0% to 49% income tax, 21% VAT, confiscatory inheritance taxes, and so many other taxes (gasoline, water, utilities) that are one of the highest in Europe. Catalonia is one of the worst regions for this, by the way.
… Guess what? Taxes are not enough and debt was used to borrow from the future, especially with low interest rates bonds after Spain joined the Euro.
… Spain fought for many EU reconstruction funds, so many wonderful highway, bridge, airport construction jobs were made.
*** And now, Game Over! ***
No more to Borrow, as Spain is essentially bankrupt at 100% GDP debt, and new debt is only to repaid past debts and bankrupt banks.
No more to Tax, as it is at the level of diminishing returns and closing economic growth.
No more EU reconstruction funds because Spain is now “advanced” and these funds go to East Europe.
So…
no more to spend!
And here is the the problem,
gone to the next stage in Catalonia,
NOT in the way you would expect !
I want to focus on the Spanish Left,
because that is where the change is happening now with Game Over,
from “Systems” PSOE to “Antisystems” Podemos and now to Socialist Separatism.
After 40 years of this democratic system of agreement to Tax and Borrow to Spend at will,
of course the main beneficiaries were the 40% of the population that are socialistic,
and they voted the Spanish leftist PSOE.
The PSOE is a “system” party because they used the political system to arrange government payoffs in spending for their trade unions, supporters and militants, subcontractors, family members, etc.
But now with Game Over, PSOE can no longer deliver new loot, so a new generation of socialistic:
— Malcontents who are anti everything, “I Wuz Robbed” negative types who by the way don’t like to work much but want social benefits anyhow, there are LOTS in Spain,
— Young people who studied fuzzy non-commercial unemployable degrees and tend to be brainwashed to the left by leftist professors who never worked a real job in their life,
— Sincere simple and poor people gone desperate:
They can’t find a job because you need to hire a lawyer and accountant to set up your own one-person business with big taxes and regulations or else, you have to work “black money” which is being hunted down like its a major crime,
businesses don’t hire long-term because of the huge social overhead in salaries and taxes,
and no business capital because banks only loan against collateral like real estate
…these people felt that PSOE was all slogan and no results.
PSOE tried to make it up with leftwing social issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.), but that doesn’t get a job and pay the bills.
Sounds like the Democrats?
So Podemos comes into the scene!
They are old style revolutionary marxist socialists,
and promised to obstruct, confiscate, do anything, to deliver to people who wanted to live from government benefits.
PSOE lost almost half of their voters to Podemos,
and that caused a PSOE inner party fight on whether to stay “system” to graze off existing power benefits of using tax revenue to spend on supporters,
versus PSOE going back to its militant roots of unions strikes and political chaos to demand more payola from Spanish politics.
Guess what? After a few years now, its clear that Podemos * ALSO * cannot deliver to socialist voters.
Podemos have NO idea how to make jobs, they tried to confiscate stuff but that was legally stopped, and they too cannot tax and borrow more. Oh, and Podemos is also corrupt, they immediate put family members in government jobs in Cadiz and other places.
Now the Catalonia twist:
Catalonia has always had a separatist streak, which was leftist and screamy.
Even until today, even the majority of voters in Catalonia are not for independence (forget for now the sham referendum with was a fig leaf for a power play).
But something did happened different now in Catalonia:
In the 2015 Catalonia parliament elections, the Catalonia center broke apart, with part going to join the Socialist Separatists, and part going on its own party (which received significant votes but not enough for seats).
Because of the mathematics of assigning parliament seats, the Separatists block got a mathematically out-sized majority that did not reflect that the majority is against independence.
Now this Separatist block knew it had a temporary advantage, went for broke on independence to grab a country for themselves, and got itself into a bind:
it thought it could either get away with independence or else, some deal that they have extra funds for payola to their supporters.
If the Separatist Block gets independence, they WILL go on an ethnic purge to drive out non-Separatist voters (cleverly done like California of course), and they will have a permanent majority to be in power forever and ever, not having any danger of being unemployed and looking for a real job.
These Separatists Socialists, playing to the brink, now have radicalized the political situation in Catalonia.
Something unexpected is happening: the local Catalan PSOE PSC and Podemos, find themselves having to agreeing with the Separatists even in opposition of their national parties, because local Catalan socialists who were not separatist, were leaving them to the Separatists!
This is the problem of the Spanish Left:
Now that its Game Over for more Borrow and Tax to Spend on political payola, Separatist Socialists are convincing socialists in Spain,
that the only way to get more payola and socialist revolution, is to seize Catalonia and make it theirs!
And they appeal to IDENTITY, not MATERIAL NEEDS (classic Class-Marxism).
And this is the real problem: an appeal to Nationalist Identity for Socialism, goes down the path of Mussollini Fascism (who was a Marxist Socialist himself).
So the curious thing is that these socialists screaming that everyone else is fascist,
they are adopting the ideological principals of Fascism (socialist revolution based on group identity based on ethnic status),
and abandoning than the ideological principals of Marxism (socialist revolution based on group identity based on class status).
Just read what PSOE, Podemos are saying of this situation, its all hoping that Rajoy does the dirty work of shutting down their competitor Separatist Socialists, and leaving them bitter to “come home” back to PSOE/PSC and Podemos. So they are trying to distance themselves from Rajoy while at the same time, supporting National Unity because that way they get Catalan tax revenues for their other regions for payola.
You say that Catalonia pays more taxes than other regions….where does it go?
To social payola programs by the national PSOE and Podemos.
So in summary the Catalonia crisis is just another Spanish socialist power play with a mutation in socialist appeal from class-materialism to identity ethnicity.
In my opinion, the current problems for these Socialists are spin offs and consequences from previous problems they did.
If the Spanish Socialists did not encourage the growth of social spending, there would be no Catalonian gripes that there is less money for Socialist spending in Catalonia.
It’s Catch 22 problem with Socialist thinking!!
This is the same dilemma that the Democrats have in the USA: the BLM riots are interesting to Democrats, and that they would like that if you are so-and-so minority, you must be a Democrat otherwise you are a traitor….leftist identity to ethnicity,
but it leaves it open for Republicans to appeal to jobs and workers.
I hope this deeper understanding will help you reflect, that for someone who rejects all of this rotten Socialist logic, Catalonian Socialist Separatism is nothing interesting for those interested in true freedom, both individual and community interests.
Even the majority of Catalans do not want this Separatism and its rotten Socialist ideas by these “Catalanistas”.
They will bring Socialist oppression just as the old Confederates (Democrats) and the new socialist Democrats votes to bring oppression.
I can talk about what the Spanish “right” has done wrong, but honestly, the drivers of this game are the Socialists, the rest are just reacting.
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Thanks, that’s jus what we needed, someone who sets the record straight! Sooo right on, that this type of “independece” movement has nothing to do with freedom.
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You’re 100% correct of course. The Anglos of the USA and UK don’t understand the world. We who know something about the Hispanic world need to educate them.
National Socialism is Nazism or Fascism, the worst forms of nationalism. At the extremes there’s no difference between Communism and Nazism. Both are about total opression and control.
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My comment that begins with “You’re 100% right of course” was meant as a reply to you.
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Unless it’s my browser, this video does not play on Zerohedge.
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Politics everywhere needs more men like Farage.
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The biggest threat for Europe is the neo marxistst ideology that rules in Brussels . The Junckers and company .
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